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Old 02-13-11, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by gerv
One thing I notice about the data is that New York must be the metropolitan area, which probably covers Connecticut too. It seems like trying to nail down this figure is like trying to compare apples and oranges. I am heartened though that really large cities like Tokyo are reasonably bike friendly. What does that tell you?
In one way, Tokyo is one of the newest cities in the world, since it was almost entirely destroyed by American bombs in the the 1940s. I wonder if newer cities tend to be more bike friendly?
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I somehow think that being a "newer" city would be likely to condemn it to bike unfriendliness. Considering that Los Angeles or Phoenix or Tampa are pretty new cities.

It's pretty common to rank Tokyo as a bike friendly city, but there's also Amerstam, Paris, Basel, Berlin... new isn't a common denominator.
https://opentravel.com/blogs/worlds-m...iendly-cities/

For all the cities I've visited on this list, I'd think being highly civilized (ie, great respect for art, visual design) and possibly a culture of more outdoor living (particularly sidewalk cafes and restaurants) and a vibrant university culture.
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Originally Posted by gerv
I somehow think that being a "newer" city would be likely to condemn it to bike unfriendliness. Considering that Los Angeles or Phoenix or Tampa are pretty new cities.

It's pretty common to rank Tokyo as a bike friendly city, but there's also Amerstam, Paris, Basel, Berlin... new isn't a common denominator.
https://opentravel.com/blogs/worlds-m...iendly-cities/

For all the cities I've visited on this list, I'd think being highly civilized (ie, great respect for art, visual design) and possibly a culture of more outdoor living (particularly sidewalk cafes and restaurants) and a vibrant university culture.
True that large chunks of Tokyo were rebuilt after WW2. But at least until the 1970s there was no expectation that regular middle class families were supposed to have a car, and the infrastructure reflects this, to the benefit of bike riders. A far cry from the LAs, Atlantas, and Houstons of the world. Not much in the way of sidewalk cafes and dining though.
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I guess I fail to see how confronting people with reality could be considered "shoving it down people's throats."
Because many people have their minds are made up and they do not wish to be confused by facts, and the more you educate them, the less they learn. Bill Moyers has a good piece on this subject. Bill Moyers: America Can't Deal with Reality -- We must be exposed to the truth
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I don't agree with the premise of the OP at all. there is one group of people who have built a successful car-free and for the most part oil-free society and they are the antithesis of high density living.





If it wasn't for the silly dress code and the heavy duty bible bashing I would have already joined one of these communities... they've got it right.

The real problem we have is that there's simply way too many human beings on the planet for all of us to live sustainably.
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Because many people have their minds are made up and they do not wish to be confused by facts, and the more you educate them, the less they learn. Bill Moyers has a good piece on this subject. Bill Moyers: America Can't Deal with Reality -- We must be exposed to the truth
That's a fascinating article. I've admired Bill Moyer ever since his wonderful series on Joseph Campbell came out years ago.

As Joe Keohane reported last year in The Boston Globe, political scientists have begun to discover a human tendency "deeply discouraging to anyone with faith in the power of information." He was reporting on research at the University of Michigan, which found that when misinformed people, particularly political partisans, were exposed to corrected facts in new stories, they rarely changed their minds. In fact, they often became even more strongly set in their beliefs. Facts were not curing misinformation. "Like an underpowered antibiotic, facts could actually make misinformation even stronger."
I particularly liked his story about how Paul Orfalea taught history by working back from the present. Great idea.
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