Have these things been invented yet?
11-26-13, 06:25 PM
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Fork locks have been done, though, which would prevent steering.
Looking at Michigan's laws... MCL 257.662(1) doesn't actually say that additional lights aren't allowed, just what's required. It is confusing about the whole rear light thing, though. However, MCL 257.657 may allow a bicycle rider to follow car or motorcycle lighting standards (because they are applicable to a bicycle).
Here in Ohio, things are much, much clearer. ORC 4511.56(B) is explicit that red can't be on the front, and white can't be on the rear, but anything else is fair game. (Pretty sure blue would be a bad idea, though.) Then again, there is the conflict that ORC 4513.17(D) presents, where vehicles (not just motor vehicles) cannot display a flashing red light unless they're public safety vehicles or school buses. (Which actually conflicts with the fact that red turn signals are legal, too.)
And, signalling with the right arm for a right turn is legal on a bicycle in Ohio.
Looking at Michigan's laws... MCL 257.662(1) doesn't actually say that additional lights aren't allowed, just what's required. It is confusing about the whole rear light thing, though. However, MCL 257.657 may allow a bicycle rider to follow car or motorcycle lighting standards (because they are applicable to a bicycle).
Here in Ohio, things are much, much clearer. ORC 4511.56(B) is explicit that red can't be on the front, and white can't be on the rear, but anything else is fair game. (Pretty sure blue would be a bad idea, though.) Then again, there is the conflict that ORC 4513.17(D) presents, where vehicles (not just motor vehicles) cannot display a flashing red light unless they're public safety vehicles or school buses. (Which actually conflicts with the fact that red turn signals are legal, too.)
And, signalling with the right arm for a right turn is legal on a bicycle in Ohio.
11-26-13, 06:32 PM
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Fork locks have been done, though, which would prevent steering.
Looking at Michigan's laws... MCL 257.662(1) doesn't actually say that additional lights aren't allowed, just what's required. It is confusing about the whole rear light thing, though. However, MCL 257.657 may allow a bicycle rider to follow car or motorcycle lighting standards (because they are applicable to a bicycle).
Here in Ohio, things are much, much clearer. ORC 4511.56(B) is explicit that red can't be on the front, and white can't be on the rear, but anything else is fair game. (Pretty sure blue would be a bad idea, though.) Then again, there is the conflict that ORC 4513.17(D) presents, where vehicles (not just motor vehicles) cannot display a flashing red light unless they're public safety vehicles or school buses. (Which actually conflicts with the fact that red turn signals are legal, too.)
And, signalling with the right arm for a right turn is legal on a bicycle in Ohio.
Looking at Michigan's laws... MCL 257.662(1) doesn't actually say that additional lights aren't allowed, just what's required. It is confusing about the whole rear light thing, though. However, MCL 257.657 may allow a bicycle rider to follow car or motorcycle lighting standards (because they are applicable to a bicycle).
Here in Ohio, things are much, much clearer. ORC 4511.56(B) is explicit that red can't be on the front, and white can't be on the rear, but anything else is fair game. (Pretty sure blue would be a bad idea, though.) Then again, there is the conflict that ORC 4513.17(D) presents, where vehicles (not just motor vehicles) cannot display a flashing red light unless they're public safety vehicles or school buses. (Which actually conflicts with the fact that red turn signals are legal, too.)
And, signalling with the right arm for a right turn is legal on a bicycle in Ohio.
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11-26-13, 06:40 PM
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In Little House on the Prairie, a family is stranded by horse theft. That would be a good time to have some sort of backup drive for the wagon, such as pedals. It would be slow with low gears, but the wagon is a mobile home, so they park anywhere and sleep before pedaling again. The covered wagon design will need some updating for available materials and energy sources.
12-02-13, 08:15 AM
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My Dad and I were emailing about one bike he had when he was a teen. He had a Monark Silver King. It was aluminum and had a steering column lock. He said that after thieves broke the lock while trying to steal it, he gave up and used a regular lock.
That cylinder on the downtube is full of D cell batteries for the headlamp.
That cylinder on the downtube is full of D cell batteries for the headlamp.
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12-02-13, 08:23 AM
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Coolest bike ever!
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12-02-13, 07:00 PM
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While riding today I was wondering how the Monark affected my riding life.
Here's my first bike. I was the only boy in the neighborhood who didn't have a Schwinn Speedster. But my first bike had a similar frame configuration to the Monark, though it was made of steel not aluminum. It had a headlamp and rack, a sprung saddle, the fenders weren't stainless steel, but they were aluminum. I can't help but wonder how owning the Monark, affected the criterion that my Dad used to choose my bike.
Here's my first bike. I was the only boy in the neighborhood who didn't have a Schwinn Speedster. But my first bike had a similar frame configuration to the Monark, though it was made of steel not aluminum. It had a headlamp and rack, a sprung saddle, the fenders weren't stainless steel, but they were aluminum. I can't help but wonder how owning the Monark, affected the criterion that my Dad used to choose my bike.
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12-02-13, 08:01 PM
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While riding today I was wondering how the Monark affected my riding life.
Here's my first bike. I was the only boy in the neighborhood who didn't have a Schwinn Speedster. But my first bike had a similar frame configuration to the Monark, though it was made of steel not aluminum. It had a headlamp and rack, a sprung saddle, the fenders weren't stainless steel, but they were aluminum. I can't help but wonder how owning the Monark, affected the criterion that my Dad used to choose my bike.
Here's my first bike. I was the only boy in the neighborhood who didn't have a Schwinn Speedster. But my first bike had a similar frame configuration to the Monark, though it was made of steel not aluminum. It had a headlamp and rack, a sprung saddle, the fenders weren't stainless steel, but they were aluminum. I can't help but wonder how owning the Monark, affected the criterion that my Dad used to choose my bike.
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12-02-13, 10:09 PM
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First bike I remember him having was a 10 speed Motobecane in the late '60s. Now he has a foldie.
My Fleetwing lasted till 5th grade when it was stolen from the school bicycle parking. No one could remember a bike being stolen from school. It was already pretty beat. It had rear Wald baskets and was painted with yellow housepaint. They had probably 200 bikes in the school bike parking to choose from, I'm guessing they took it for the ape hanger handlebars that were on it at the time.
But that bike set the pattern. I was already pedaling too far.
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12-02-13, 10:13 PM
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Of course my bike (don't know if it was my first) was already too small for me at 8YO and the handle bar stem is extended way too far for safety. My father or mother never cycled a day in their lives; my mother never drove either. All bike modifications were mine.
We both survived apparently incorrectly sized bikes without hi vis cycling clothing or foam hats.
12-02-13, 10:22 PM
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At first I had to leap off of the bike when coming to a stop. That was kind of rough. But I grew into the bike and eventually grew out of it.
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12-03-13, 01:20 AM
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12-03-13, 01:52 AM
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My first 26 inch bike was much too big, mainly because I wanted it so bad that my father gave in and got it for me a year before he thought I was ready for it. It was intimidating to ride it that first summer, but I learned how to fall off a bike, which is a valuable lesson for any cyclist.
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12-03-13, 01:58 AM
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You are lucky you didn't develop a soprano singing voice. Even with the block pedals it looks way too big for you. Could you straddle that bike when stopped?
Of course my bike (don't know if it was my first) was already too small for me at 8YO and the handle bar stem is extended way too far for safety. My father or mother never cycled a day in their lives; my mother never drove either. All bike modifications were mine.
We both survived apparently incorrectly sized bikes without hi vis cycling clothing or foam hats.
Of course my bike (don't know if it was my first) was already too small for me at 8YO and the handle bar stem is extended way too far for safety. My father or mother never cycled a day in their lives; my mother never drove either. All bike modifications were mine.
We both survived apparently incorrectly sized bikes without hi vis cycling clothing or foam hats.
My mom never rode, but my dad knew his way around a bike. It's weird to close my eyes and picture him riding, since he was legally blind for the last 30 years of his life.
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12-03-13, 07:01 AM
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I doubt we have very many pictures of bikes from the past in our family... have to look. Mom never learned how to ride a bike, Iowa farm girl. Dad started riding when he was young, something about his older brother put him on a bike and shoved him down a hill. He had a couple of unusual bikes growing up one being an Italian built Retro Direct apparently my grandfather brought it back from Italy when he was selling tractors over there in the 1920's. I do recall my dad having a black 3 speed when we lived in Marshall, Missouri, rode it to work and a few other colleges around the country. Probably where I got my love for them. At 80 he is no longer riding, I hope to beat that record.
I would have to guess that my dad's bike probably was very similar to this one.
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I would have to guess that my dad's bike probably was very similar to this one.
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12-03-13, 10:36 AM
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I doubt we have very many pictures of bikes from the past in our family... have to look. Mom never learned how to ride a bike, Iowa farm girl. Dad started riding when he was young, something about his older brother put him on a bike and shoved him down a hill. He had a couple of unusual bikes growing up one being an Italian built Retro Direct apparently my grandfather brought it back from Italy when he was selling tractors over there in the 1920's.
I do recall my dad having a black 3 speed when we lived in Marshall, Missouri, rode it to work and a few other colleges around the country. Probably where I got my love for them. At 80 he is no longer riding, I hope to beat that record.
I would have to guess that my dad's bike probably was very similar to this one.
Aaron
I do recall my dad having a black 3 speed when we lived in Marshall, Missouri, rode it to work and a few other colleges around the country. Probably where I got my love for them. At 80 he is no longer riding, I hope to beat that record.
I would have to guess that my dad's bike probably was very similar to this one.
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12-03-13, 10:52 AM
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I had half a mind to build my Dahon up as a retrodirect. Decided the KISS factor of the Sachs hub made more sense.
12-03-13, 11:00 AM
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1) I used to have turn signals for my bike when I was a kid. As an adult it's a losing proposition. How are you going to get enough separation from either signal that the typically unaware driver will be able to tell that the flasher means that you are turning and not just having another twinkling light. But just in case, Amazon has you covered
Bicycle Turn Signal.
Bicycle Turn Signal.
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That was how I learned to stop too.
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I'm talking about bikes, not cars.
Added later, from Michigan Vehicle Code:
257.662 Bicycles or electric personal assistive mobility device; equipment; violation as civil infraction.
Sec. 662.
(1) A bicycle or an electric personal assistive mobility device being operated on a roadway between 1/2 hour after sunset and 1/2 hour before sunrise shall be equipped with a lamp on the front which shall emit a white light visible from a distance of at least 500 feet to the front and with a red reflector on the rear which shall be visible from all distances from 100 feet to 600 feet to the rear when directly in front of lawful lower beams of head lamps on a motor vehicle. A lamp emitting a red light visible from a distance of 500 feet to the rear may be used in addition to the red reflector.
Added later, from Michigan Vehicle Code:
257.662 Bicycles or electric personal assistive mobility device; equipment; violation as civil infraction.
Sec. 662.
(1) A bicycle or an electric personal assistive mobility device being operated on a roadway between 1/2 hour after sunset and 1/2 hour before sunrise shall be equipped with a lamp on the front which shall emit a white light visible from a distance of at least 500 feet to the front and with a red reflector on the rear which shall be visible from all distances from 100 feet to 600 feet to the rear when directly in front of lawful lower beams of head lamps on a motor vehicle. A lamp emitting a red light visible from a distance of 500 feet to the rear may be used in addition to the red reflector.
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12-03-13, 11:18 AM
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