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NR-Joppa was far over your head as you made a left onto Charles off of Kenilworth. For future reference-When you were at the light at Charles and Kenilworth you can go straight on Bellona which brings you down to the intersection of Joppa and Bellona, quick right onto Joppa and you would be maybe 2 miles from Meadowood.
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Yes, they use a third party. I saved the 3rd party's website at work--don't recall their name at the moment. Their product description did not include supplying vouchers or cards for use with the Bicycle Commuter benefit.
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NR-Joppa was far over your head as you made a left onto Charles off of Kenilworth. For future reference-When you were at the light at Charles and Kenilworth you can go straight on Bellona which brings you down to the intersection of Joppa and Bellona, quick right onto Joppa and you would be maybe 2 miles from Meadowood.
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Btw, folks, if you go west on Joppa Rd and approach the traffic circle at Delaney Valley, watch out for the embedded metal rail in the road. It's shaped like this |_|
Here's approximately where it's located:
Here's approximately where it's located:
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It may also be worth while contacting the League since they were involved with this legislation they should be interested where it is failing. https://www.bikeleague.org/resources/commuters/
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Contact Stephanie Yanovitz (email at the bottom of this page: https://www.baltometro.org/content/view/79/142 ) She's interested in trying to get the bicycle commuter credit going in the area and getting third parties on board is supposed to be the "easy way" for cyclists to get the credit.
It may also be worth while contacting the League since they were involved with this legislation they should be interested where it is failing. https://www.bikeleague.org/resources/commuters/
It may also be worth while contacting the League since they were involved with this legislation they should be interested where it is failing. https://www.bikeleague.org/resources/commuters/
https://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group.../message/11439
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Thanks, Barry! By the way, did you see Stephen Franzoni's post to BBCTalk about the same problem. He stated something like 13 of 14 commuters polled stated that their employers did not support the benefit.
https://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group.../message/11439
https://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group.../message/11439
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I have not been able to cover all things cycling as well as I used to so I missed that post. But I'm surprised that even one is getting the credit, it's been real hard to get the credit off the ground, a lot easier for government to pay big bucks to drivers for parking then to encourage cycling.
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I work for the Federal Government and have applied for the benefit last year, and I have heard nothing since. I commute to work on my bicycle every day. People using the train or other public transportation can get as much as $230 a month, but bikes so far, nothing. No doubt it will take time and acceptance.
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It will take $7.00 per gallon to get people on bikes and then maybe you'll see the government taking it seriously. As long as driving a car is still fairly cheap not much will change, a huge luxury tax on BMWs. Mercedes, etc would help. It will always just be bike enthusiasts, fringe element, not just people riding bikes because it makes good transportation sense.
BTW-I was having a conversation at the gym the other day about the Charles St. Bridge. Are they still planning the bike lane? Where will it go? Kenilworth all the way into Lutherville?
BTW-I was having a conversation at the gym the other day about the Charles St. Bridge. Are they still planning the bike lane? Where will it go? Kenilworth all the way into Lutherville?
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I work for the Federal Government and have applied for the benefit last year, and I have heard nothing since. I commute to work on my bicycle every day. People using the train or other public transportation can get as much as $230 a month, but bikes so far, nothing. No doubt it will take time and acceptance.
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Now this is a bike plan. super highways for bikes. Could you imagine a beltway for bikes? or direct routes to downtown from Hunt Valley, Owings Mills, Towson?
https://www.tfl.gov.uk/roadusers/cycling/11901.aspx
https://www.tfl.gov.uk/roadusers/cycling/11901.aspx
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Now this is a bike plan. super highways for bikes. Could you imagine a beltway for bikes? or direct routes to downtown from Hunt Valley, Owings Mills, Towson?
https://www.tfl.gov.uk/roadusers/cycling/11901.aspx
https://www.tfl.gov.uk/roadusers/cycling/11901.aspx
Even if they were truly segregated bike lanes, sooner or later you would have to join with other road users. Less practice dealing with other road users just sets one up for not knowing how to deal with scenarios when they arise. (My 2 cents worth)
I'll take a road any day over a MUP, bike trail, or even a segregated bike lane.
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Maryland's Interactive Strategic Trail Plan is being demoed at OLC Bicycle Symposium. Pretty cool stuff but of course Balto Metro is highlighted as needing more attention.
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(-=Barry=- Promoting the full range of bicycle accommodations.)
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Share The Road signs and Bikes May Use Full Lane signs -may- only help AFTER an incident. They do nothing to keep an MVO attentive or caring about the human being on the bike. IMHO, they're ignored. Do we even have any "Bikes May Use Full Lane" in Maryland?
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I'd have to agree with NR on this one.
I ride like a biker and I think like a driver.
I'd like to see MVO's brought under control, pay for what they use and clearly shown the dangers and disadvantages of driving.
These I'd like to see far more than the possible protections of bike lanes, sharrows, signage and the like.
HOWEVER, I acknowledge that my view from the "inside" as an everyday commuter is very different from the novice's who's trying to be more involved, but too scared to get started.
I ride like a biker and I think like a driver.
I'd like to see MVO's brought under control, pay for what they use and clearly shown the dangers and disadvantages of driving.
These I'd like to see far more than the possible protections of bike lanes, sharrows, signage and the like.
HOWEVER, I acknowledge that my view from the "inside" as an everyday commuter is very different from the novice's who's trying to be more involved, but too scared to get started.
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The Federal DOT has just adopted the "Bikes May Use Full Lane" (BMUFL) into the Manual of Uniform Traffic Control Devices (MUTCD) and Maryland has two years to adopt into its MUTCD. I forget if the nearest BMUFL sign is in Montgomery County or in DC but its not in wide spread use yet.
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Another interesting observation about the Maryland Budget Map Game is that I played the game being as "anti-car" as I could and it reported no opposition. Hmm.
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+1 - It's hard for me to remember how scared I was when riding up Rossville Blvd at 5:15am on a 35 pound K2 Arcadia "comfort" bike 6 years ago with poor lighting and probably only a reflective vest. I'm sure I was scared _hitless.
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NR and GB-Indeed-You guys are seasoned, tough, alert, cyclists, but I'm sure more than a few drivers pass you every morning and night muttering "craaaazy". What we are talking about is getting more people on bikes and if they were told they needed to ride where and how you guys ride they simply wouldn't. You have to understand that you are serious bike enthusiasts, the fringe. Now, I've never been to Amsterdam or Copenhagen but I understand they have an entire infrastructure for bikes including stoplights etc. people ride to work wearing suits and without helmets, can't see that at 20 mph on Rossville. When my son and I did our self contained tour of the Loire Valley in France the bike path network was extensive, on the rare occasion that we took to the highway it was terrifying for me as a parent, I could handle but of course my novice son would be fresh meat. I cringe every time I see a cyclist on Charles St. in my neighborhood.
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Not to poo-poo bike facilities in Amsterdam or Copenhagen but they also have a law that any car/bike crash it is automatically the car who is at fault. I am skittish on promoting segregated facilities here as long as there appears to be an anti-cyclists bias in the legal system. IMHO the two cannot be separated (pro bike laws and segregated-bike facilities.)
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NR and GB-Indeed-You guys are seasoned, tough, alert, cyclists, but I'm sure more than a few drivers pass you every morning and night muttering "craaaazy". What we are talking about is getting more people on bikes and if they were told they needed to ride where and how you guys ride they simply wouldn't.
What I proposed in another thread on BF was that you will get more cyclists on the road if you can coax them into a club or mentor a new rider. The BBC's annual ride series can be used to springboard new cyclists into riding more, but then it has to be followed up. Teach these new riders, under low pressure situations, how to ride the roads, then progressively expose them to more pressure. Keep the education going using experienced riders from the club as mentors. Don't stop the education once the ride series is over.
Bud Lippert is unknowingly almost doing this, but having ridden one of his rides, IMHO, he exposes his "casual" riders to a little too much pressure. If he would back the pressure off (i.e., DO NOT place new riders on roads like Ebeneizer Rd!) he (or the club) could use the casual rides as a way to continue new rider education, instill confidence, and over time you will have riders as confident as me and Bob. Get a group of these riders and it's no longer called "crazy"--it's the norm.
The result of more cyclists on the road is the appearance that the roads are safer. And, they may well be, because MVOs will have to accept this situation as normal and be more sensitive to this environment.
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I don't even know why I'm so concerned with the issue, I work at home, no commute. I guess my beef is really with the way the American culture grows faster, more car dependent, less about quality of life and more about making money, getting to where you're going really fast. I would argue for more public transportation just as much as I would for bike friendly streets. I love visiting cities where I can get around by subway, Metro, Underground. When my son and I went to England and France back in 05 we used public transportation exclusively, I love it, then I come back to Baltimore, every time I go I feel the drive to and from the airport is the most stressful and dangerous part of the trip. But I digress, this is a bike forum.