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rasheed 06-12-05 10:56 AM


Originally Posted by jim-bob
Three hours is an epic ride?

sounds like a normal day riding the trails to me.

about the dawg, like the others have said, i'd suggest finding a shop near you that sells them. take one for a test ride and see if the geo is to your liking. if it is, go for it and have fun on your new bike :D .

Maelstrom 06-12-05 11:00 AM


Originally Posted by jim-bob
Three hours is an epic ride?

Depends. I have one trail which is 3 hours but the amount of work/force required to ride it is epic. Epic for a pure xc guy is different than epic for someone riding really tech trails. :)...

Agree to a point though generally epic is quite a bit more than 3, but not always imo.

Brad01 06-12-05 11:06 AM


Originally Posted by troie
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3. Could be something as simple as switching to clipless pedals to help improve my technique i.e. climbing, speed, endurance?

Well, since the Stumpy that you liked had more of a head down/butt up posture than your HardRock, I was thinking more along the lines of trying a new stem and new bars.
The HardRock was designed for XC, it's just a little burlier than "normal" light hardtails (whatever that means)

Oh yeah, and if the Stumpjumper felt great, why not just buy a stumpjumper frame???

troie 06-12-05 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Brad01
Well, since the Stumpy that you liked had more of a head down/butt up posture than your HardRock, I was thinking more along the lines of trying a new stem and new bars.
The HardRock was designed for XC, it's just a little burlier than "normal" light hardtails (whatever that means)

Oh yeah, and if the Stumpjumper felt great, why not just buy a stumpjumper frame???

Because they dont sell FSR Stumpy frames for $599 :) .

I took a pic of the HR and thought of flipping the stem. This will give it a negative rise which will let the bars sit much lower. I also thought of making the saddle parallel to the ground unlike its current nose-up angle. Then if its possible Id like to convert my 120mm fork to a 100mm.

Here is the most recent pic of it.

Maelstrom 06-12-05 11:43 AM

Saddle should be parellel. Even my djer is run that way. Up is just to weird.

Before switching the fork try a longer stem maybe?...

troie 06-12-05 11:52 AM


Originally Posted by Maelstrom
Saddle should be parellel. Even my djer is run that way. Up is just to weird.

Before switching the fork try a longer stem maybe?...

Not switch the fork, convert it. I dont know if thats even possible for air forks with a lockout.

phantomcow2 06-12-05 11:58 AM


Originally Posted by troie
Not switch the fork, convert it. I dont know if thats even possible for air forks with a lockout.

WHat fork are you running now? For XC you probably dont want more than 100mm. On my SID i have 80mm of travel

troie 06-12-05 12:20 PM

Manitou Black Super Air 120 with TPC Lockout although I wish I had seen this before I bought it. It was a good deal though, normally retails for $499 and I got it for $260.

swifferman 06-12-05 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by troie
I thought I was, then I wasnt, then I thought I was, then I didnt. The trails one rides determines the type of riding they are limited to right? We dont have north shore type trails here, its mainly XC singletrack. There is a FR/DH park about an hour from me but I'll rarely drive down there as it is too far and the trails are very limited compared to the 150+ miles of intertwined trails about 15 minutes from my house.

Im an XC rider no doubt about it. Maybe Im just being a whiney little b|tch and Im tired of having the HR? Maybe Im jealous of all the nice bikes and full-spension rigs I see at the trails? Maybe Im ashamed of my bike because when people look at it they laugh and think I belong at some skatepark? Maybe I need to take a break from the forums for about a week?

Here is the bottom line:

1. Do you think the HR frame is designed for XC?

2. Will the Dawg be a worthy purchase and will help me take my riding to the next level or will I just end up wasting $600?

3. Could be something as simple as switching to clipless pedals to help improve my technique i.e. climbing, speed, endurance?

4. Am I a whiney little b|tch?

Before you go all out on a new frame, try the clipless pedals first.

Do people actually laugh at your bike?

1. The HR is capable of doing XC competently.
2. Depends if you need it or not.
3. Get clipless. The speed difference you gain will probably be about the same as if you switched to an XC hard tail frame. Stick with a solid crank bros. set up with a pair of shoes you like.
4. Not whiney, unnecessarily upgradey :D

What are the trails like? Take pics of them next time. If they're the only thing you're going to be riding it's probably very dependent on your trails.

I really don't think you need this new frame, and if you were to buy a new frame, take a gander at an Explosif or a hard tail to save on money and gain on speed.

spleck 06-13-05 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by Maelstrom
2 - Dawg kick ass and has a similar geometry and selling point to a stumpy (I would love to post a comparison to make sure but specialized site SUCKS!!!! so I can't be bothered going through the trouble, I am pretty sure they are similar in geometry).

From what I saw, the geometry between the Stumpy and the Hardrock were similar, while the Dawg was quite different. Here's a link to Specialized's old style website that made comparisons easier

Specialized (Old Site)
Stumpy FSR

spleck 06-13-05 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by troie
Maybe Im ashamed of my bike because when people look at it they laugh and think I belong at some skatepark?

Man, nobody laughs at my Hardrock, and I DON'T have a front fork that costs more than the bike. Of course some of the guys I ride with have X-mart bikes...

Maelstrom 06-13-05 11:56 AM


Originally Posted by spleck
From what I saw, the geometry between the Stumpy and the Hardrock were similar, while the Dawg was quite different. Here's a link to Specialized's old style website that made comparisons easier

Specialized (Old Site)
Stumpy FSR


That rocks thanks. I stopped going to the specialized site with the new super slow super ugly I am a dumb web designer site.

Cheers

PaulBravey 06-13-05 12:02 PM

As an aside, don't you just hate it when companies get all Flash happy? Why do companies insist on you having a 3 ghz machine with half a gig of memory and broadband just to be able to view a website of largely static content? mini-rant over :D

Drunken Chicken 06-13-05 12:29 PM


Originally Posted by PaulBravey
As an aside, don't you just hate it when companies get all Flash happy? Why do companies insist on you having a 3 ghz machine with half a gig of memory and broadband just to be able to view a website of largely static content? mini-rant over :D

I concur. Look at Fox Racing Shox's website... :rolleyes: :D


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