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hydroforming
is hyrdroforming strong ? doesnt the wall thickness at the hydroformed area get reduced?
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Hydroforming is a strong process. Any process that forms metal, such as extrusion or using presses, would thin the metal. This is most likely taken into account when the part is designed. The real benefit of hydroforming that it can easily make complex shapes that would generally require several parts welded together to achieve.
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Hydroforming is a cutting process, the wall thickness is not effected. The nice thing about it is that it doesn't use heat and the same thing that MattBeaty said.
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Originally Posted by trekkie820
Hydroforming is a cutting process . . . .
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Hmm, interesting. I always see them using that Flowjet machine on American Chopper and figured that it was the only water pressure metal working device. I just assumed (silly me) that my metal manufactuing class would cover such a thing. Thanks for the info!
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Originally Posted by trekkie820
I just assumed (silly me) that my metal manufactuing class would cover such a thing. Thanks for the info!
Also, since you're a student of metals, you'll probably find Ron Fournier's Metal Fabricator's Handbook interesting. Even though it focuses on race car metal fabbing, it has a lot of good info on aluminum and tubing properties and fabrication. You can find it on Amazon here. I have a copy at home that I refer to frequently.
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Originally Posted by trekkie820
Hmm, interesting. I always see them using that Flowjet machine on American Chopper and figured that it was the only water pressure metal working device. I just assumed (silly me) that my metal manufactuing class would cover such a thing. Thanks for the info!
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Originally Posted by trekkie820
Hmm, interesting. I always see them using that Flowjet machine on American Chopper and figured that it was the only water pressure metal working device. I just assumed (silly me) that my metal manufactuing class would cover such a thing. Thanks for the info!
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Originally Posted by iamlucky13
That's waterjet cutting, which does an extremely clean cut unless you start getting into really thick pieces.
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When I was buying my Stumpjumper FSR, the mechanic that was helping me was saying that they hydroformed the frame on that model. Any idea if that's true? I went looking for info on the M4 alloy frame and found very little on the 'net.
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The frame of my 3/4 ton pickup is hydroformed. I'd say it's fairly strong....
As for water cutting, I have a tailhook from an EA-6B that I got cut in half lengthwise. These things stop a 45,000 # jet flying at 150 MPH in just a few hundred feet. Pretty amazing that water can cut it clean.
As for water cutting, I have a tailhook from an EA-6B that I got cut in half lengthwise. These things stop a 45,000 # jet flying at 150 MPH in just a few hundred feet. Pretty amazing that water can cut it clean.
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hydroforming works well. some of the walls may be thinner, but that is part of the overall design. the extra stiffness of the final shape achieved (or whatever the designer is planning) makes up for it. as well as much hydroforming is done to increase the available surface area for a weld, so you end up with maybe a thinner tube, but a larger weld area spreading the loads out over a greater surface area.
just because a tube is thicker doesn't always mean it's stronger.
just because a tube is thicker doesn't always mean it's stronger.
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hydroforming uses either water or oil. its a process where water/oil is passed through the tube in the die at more than 25000 psi.