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kenhill3 11-06-11 03:09 PM


Originally Posted by pablosnazzy (Post 13460067)
the only reason he is "poaching" is because someone put a sign saying "foot traffic only." it's dirt. i know, it's a whole other conversation, but...

i've "poached" trails, as have most riders i know. i just don't see it as a big deal. at least the kid is riding a bike. that means more to me than the fact he rode his bike on "foot only" dirt.

Yeah, signs as such don't apply to you or anyone else that can rationalize what they do/don't do.

I suppose that you also selectively regard IMBA's rules of the trail.

Validating by saying that most riders you know have poached is lame, man.

pablosnazzy 11-06-11 03:42 PM

what is the reason the trail is off limits to bicycles? will a bicycle hurt/endanger/ruin flora, fauna, ecosystem? or is it because people don't want bicycles racing around on their trails?

as long as no harm is being done, there is no reason to not ride a bike somewhere if you aren't endangering or bothering others.

i also run red lights at intersections AFTER i've stopped and seen that i am the only person sitting there at a 4 way, waiting for the light to change. i also turn left at right turn only places as long as i'm not causing any traffic chaos or affecting anyone else.

i'm not going to blindly follow rules or signs or marks on the road just because they are there. we are cognitive reasoning beings, we should act appropriately according to the situation.

the only difference between "riding" and "poaching" is an inanimate metal sign. all other conditions are the same.

if a trail is "off limits" because they don't want cyclists bothering other users, i will ride it when no one is around, because there is no real actual valid reason not to ride it.

samburger 11-06-11 04:34 PM


Originally Posted by kenhill3 (Post 13460177)
Validating by saying that most riders you know have poached is lame, man.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

If you've never broken a rule that makes no sense, I feel sorry for you. You must seriously lack independent thought. All rules are there for a reason, but not all rules were instated to solve problems that every person causes. For example: Does the 21-year-old drinking age mean that no minor is capable of drinking responsibly? Does the 18 year old tobacco-purchasing age mean that cigarettes are less harmful to 17.9-year-old than an 18-year-old? Does a 55mph speed limit mean that no person is capable of safely driving 56mph? I could go on for hours, but I think you get the point.

And on that note, I forbid myself to argue any further. This could easily become another Samburger v. Scyclops situation, & no one wants that:lol:

samburger 11-06-11 04:38 PM


Originally Posted by pablosnazzy (Post 13460263)
i also run red lights at intersections AFTER i've stopped and seen that i am the only person sitting there at a 4 way, waiting for the light to change.
This is actually legal in Tennessee if I'm not mistaken. There's a time limit, & if the light remains red, you treat it as a stop sign. I wish they would do this in Georgia...there are several lights I take on a daily basis that don't recognize my motorcycle.

i'm not going to blindly follow rules or signs or marks on the road just because they are there. we are cognitive reasoning beings, we should act appropriately according to the situation.
+rep

the only difference between "riding" and "poaching" is an inanimate metal sign. all other conditions are the same.
"Sign, sign, everywhere's a sign. Do this, don't do that"

..

Zephyr11 11-06-11 04:49 PM

Moreso than actually poaching the trail, what comes across as really dumb to me is he filmed the sign at the beginning of the video. So he shows what trail he's on illegally, and that he's on it illegally. Have I ever been on trails I wasn't supposed to be on? Yeah, shame on me. Would I even consider disclosing the location of said trails online, and then flaunting that I ride them? No, absolutely not.

samburger 11-06-11 04:55 PM

Good point, Zeph.

Side note: Is that a high-heel & a person wearing an abominable snowman mask in your sig?:lol:

kenhill3 11-06-11 04:57 PM

The analogies you guys are making are not comparable at all to the situation we are discussing. It is private property, and for you to decide how to interpret or regard/disregard posted rules/regulations is superfluous. Respect the land and the wishes of the owner of that land. If you can't or don't want to do that, then go somewhere else.

And, yes, I have broken many rules in my life, and as a result have paid attention and become wiser and more informed.

samburger 11-06-11 05:06 PM

You trickster! You almost got me to rebut your point!:lol:

I get what you're saying though. You're right, my analogies were less than comparable to the situation, I was just too lazy to think of something more comparable. And I still agree that he shouldn't have ridden on the trails for the same reasons you just mentioned. The only point I was trying to convey is that there are certain rules that certain people can break without causing harm to anyone else.

YamiRider1316 11-06-11 05:13 PM

Jeez probably the last vid this guy will ever post on this site. To the OP, cool vid and keep riding hard. At least somebody is using those trails to have some fun. Whats worse than a hiking trail used for biking? A trail that doesn't get used at all. As you stated doesn't look like they had seen a lot of use as of late.

samburger 11-06-11 05:15 PM

He'll probably turn tail & run as soon as he sees what became of his thread, assuming he hasn't already:lol:

kenhill3 11-06-11 05:25 PM


Originally Posted by YamiRider1316 (Post 13460592)
Jeez probably the last vid this guy will ever post on this site. To the OP, cool vid and keep riding hard. At least somebody is using those trails to have some fun. Whats worse than a hiking trail used for biking? A trail that doesn't get used at all. As you stated doesn't look like they had seen a lot of use as of late.

Sorry, but yet another example of interpreting things for your own self interest.

scyclops 11-06-11 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by samburger (Post 13460427)
And on that note, I forbid myself to argue any further. This could easily become another Samburger v. Scyclops situation, & no one wants that:lol:

Oh, you have no idea...

electrik 11-06-11 05:52 PM


Oh yeah... u can afford a new mtb and video camera, but no helmet, gloves or eye wear... how good your healthcare insurance?

Nothing wrong with the video, but poaching trails is wrong... mmmmkay. Wait, it's only wrong if you get caught?

Don't be building though, unless u ready to see it torn down.

YamiRider1316 11-06-11 06:20 PM


Originally Posted by kenhill3 (Post 13460643)
Sorry, but yet another example of interpreting things for your own self interest.

ALL HAIL KENHILL3! KEEPER OF THE TRAILS, A HIKERS BEST FRIEND, AND IRON FIST OF THE IMBA!

yea sorry couldnt resist.

Zephyr11 11-06-11 06:56 PM


Originally Posted by samburger (Post 13460522)
Side note: Is that a high-heel & a person wearing an abominable snowman mask in your sig?:lol:

Haha I changed it for Halloween and never changed it back. It's actually this kind of messed up scene from a video game where this little kid dresses up in clown mask and kills people. I decided it was appropriate for Halloween.

kenhill3 11-06-11 07:00 PM


Originally Posted by YamiRider1316 (Post 13460845)
ALL HAIL KENHILL3! KEEPER OF THE TRAILS, A HIKERS BEST FRIEND, AND IRON FIST OF THE IMBA!

yea sorry couldnt resist.

OK.



Really, I'm not meaning to act holier-than-thou or anything, my bad for coming off that way.:o

I would just prefer to put this issue in as clear a light as possible.


'Clear' meaning: what is not clear about 'foot traffic only' and 'yield to hikers and equestrians' ?

Zephyr11 11-06-11 07:09 PM


Originally Posted by kenhill3 (Post 13460988)
'Clear' meaning: what is not clear about 'foot traffic only' and 'yield to hikers and equestrians' ?

Psh, laws only apply to other people. The OP is above the law, bro. :rolleyes:

electrik 11-06-11 07:10 PM

rules are not laws - rules are made to be broken!


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