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Old 08-31-23, 04:50 PM
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Sepp Kuss, the man

Sepp Kuss is "the man"

I know that he gets plenty of attention, but I have to say that he is even with all that one of the most underrated riders in the pro peloton. I think that this is mostly because he seems to mostly enjoy the status of being a helper rather than of being a team leader which he could easily do
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NBC/Peacock probably not happy he didn't take the red today.

I think he held back on purpose at the end so he wouldn't take the red jersey to keep pressure off Jumbo-Visma for now.
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Originally Posted by gpsblake

I think he held back on purpose at the end so he wouldn't take the red jersey to keep pressure off Jumbo-Visma for now.
That would not surprise me. He is the ultimate team player
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Time for GC Kuss! He was smiling and smoothly going to the finish line, Lenny Martinez really dug in after Kuss to get the leader jersey! Can't believe he has almost three minutes over the majority of the field. More mountains this weekend let's see if Martinez can hold that 8 second lead. Soler could try to catch red but he's 43 seconds back from Sepp!
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Originally Posted by GrainBrain
Time for GC Kuss! He was smiling and smoothly going to the finish line, Lenny Martinez really dug in after Kuss to get the leader jersey! Can't believe he has almost three minutes over the majority of the field. More mountains this weekend let's see if Martinez can hold that 8 second lead. Soler could try to catch red but he's 43 seconds back from Sepp!
Color me doubtful. Do we know how he would do in the ITT? His times generally aren't so great, but riding as a domestique, I'm not sure he's ever giving 100% on them.
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If he gets the fire in his belly, he can ride. Remember the Tour of Utah? He rode strong there in conditions that weren't strictly climber (as well as soaring when it was!) It will probably take some real convincing by the J-V staff that he needs to do that so we will see.

I think staying out of the red as long as possible is probably his/JV's best move,
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Jumbo Visma have been telegraphing this move for a while, I think. Note Roglic's pre-race comment that 'if you want to win the Vuelta, you take Sepp Kuss.' Obviously we can't know the true dynamics within the team, but they really seem to have an ethos of sharing success and Kuss has more than earned his share of the spotlight.

It's a regular part of Jumbo's strategy to put a satellite rider in the break, often Van Aert, but yesterday it was half the squad, and Kuss never took a pull, at least as far as I saw. Not really anything any other team could have done about it either.

The TV coverage yesterday was very disappointing for what it did not show: not only the breakaway's various formations, but apparently the first break included Thomas De Gendt, one of my favorite riders!
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Hopefully he gets a run for the win supported by the team, or as one of several prongs, at Liege or Il Lombardia. Or some of the Ardennes classics, etc.

If J-V sweeps this year he's a legend.

There's a lot of ground between climbing super domestique and GC rider. Let's be giddy over celebrating his results and impact, not about re-labeling him to some [mis-?] perceived aspiration.
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Whoa whoa whoa, I'm certainly not trying to mis-label or interpret any aspirations - we have already established that Kuss' main objective was to take the stage, give out high fives and chug Cra Cuervos. So beats the heart of the Durango mountain biker. Plus it connects way more with his fan base to win on these mountains. I certainly was inspired to go out and peddle a bit yesterday after that win! I would hate to see him cruise wheels and stay out of the wind. GC Kuss
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I'm just saying everyone had pain faces on that climb - except for Kuss and Roglic. I wonder if Kuss will target the tourmalet, and other notable climbs in his career? GC Kuss
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He's been really coming into form throughout the season, claiming he feels better then after the giro. Going to be really exciting to see how things go this Vuelta! Angliru and Tourmalet loom on the horizon! GC Kuss
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Stage 10 TT looks very technical, so there's time loss and injury potential, probably not worth it when he's on this great form and can claim notable climbs - there are many winners of the Vuelta but only a few champions atop those mythical mountains. GC Kuss GC Kuss GC Kuss GC Kuss GC Kuss





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Originally Posted by 79pmooney
If he gets the fire in his belly, he can ride. Remember the Tour of Utah? He rode strong there in conditions that weren't strictly climber (as well as soaring when it was!) It will probably take some real convincing by the J-V staff that he needs to do that so we will see.

I think staying out of the red as long as possible is probably his/JV's best move,
Was there any even halfway world leading competition at that Tour? Because otherwise how can you use that performance and say it means it's good enough for a grand tour? Because right, "riding strong" is not his watts/kg but compared to the field there.
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****ing angels Bro

From cyclingnews - GC Kuss
Ineos Grenadiers were not the only GC team facing crash trouble on Friday, as stage 6 winner Sepp Kuss came within a whisker of a bad fall at some 10 kilometres to go. The Jumbo-Visma racer was back on his bike quickly, but he said it had been a near miss. Im ok, there was a crash in front of me and I had nowhere to go but I didnt really hit the ground and luckily I could get going fast enough, he told reporters afterwards.
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It's definitely very exciting to have a fellow American racing at this level!
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I wonder how many American fans JV will lose when they finish cannibalizing Sepp.
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I wonder how many American fans JV will lose when they finish cannibalizing Sepp.
The shine is dulling a bit today.
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The shine is dulling a bit today.
Yup.
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I like Sepp Kuss, a lot. But he's in a dark warehouse, with two guys he thinks are friends; standing on a sheet of plastic.
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Vingo was ill the first week of the race. He's better now.
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Vingo was ill the first week of the race. He's better now.
Not a better teammate that is for sure.
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Not a better teammate that is for sure.

I really have not dog in this fight, so take this for what it is, just a question.


Do teams/riders typically gift a Grand Tour to one of the domestiques? Has this happened in the past?

Allowing Kuss to win would be a gift. Not saying its right or wrong, but it is what it is. The strongest man wouldn't be the winner.

And no, I'm not a big fan of Vingo or TJV.
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I wonder how many American fans JV will lose when they finish cannibalizing Sepp.
For SURE this one.
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I'm a little disappointed in JV taking so much time back in yesterdays stage (16). I appears that he is racing for himself rather than lending support to Kuss. Had it been the other way around Kuss would have taken the reins and led JV up the final stage until he dropped back. Not so with JV, which tells me it's all about him. It kind of sucks. I like both of them but Nomadmax is right. He's (Kuss) all by himself and they are chipping away at him. If I were Kuss, I'd fight like crazy and do whatever it takes to keep the red on.

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Sounds like the team just wants the win and doesn't care who gets it. As long as they don't start squabling, it might work. Better than when "he who must not be named" claimed to be part of a 2 leader team in the TdF anyway.
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Sounds like the team just wants the win and doesn't care who gets it. As long as they don't start squabling, it might work. Better than when "he who must not be named" claimed to be part of a 2 leader team in the TdF anyway.
Looks like the team is just toying with everyone else and scooping up all the wins with the 3 leaders.

TVJ is on another level - make what you want out of that statement.


OH screw it - I won't beat around the bush. Them there are some doping MF'ers.
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Originally Posted by Jughed
I really have not dog in this fight, so take this for what it is, just a question.


Do teams/riders typically gift a Grand Tour to one of the domestiques? Has this happened in the past?

Allowing Kuss to win would be a gift. Not saying its right or wrong, but it is what it is. The strongest man wouldn't be the winner.

And no, I'm not a big fan of Vingo or TJV.
Gifting a grand tour to a domestique, not that I have seen. But this isn't gifting him the race. It is racing him as the leader the way that he has always raced for the other leaders. He didn't attack his teammates to take red. He was in the right break on the right day and things broke for him. Then he has had some excellent days in the mountains and a solid TT. He is the leader of the race, isn't being threatened by any other teams. He own team should support him just like they have required that he support the other riders when the roles were reversed.
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Oh my that was crazy. Roglic trying to explain himself but Kuss just saying "I had a weird feeling - but if I'm dropped I'm dropped". Vingegaard wtf you not waiting up for Kuss? Thanks Landismo!

Forget you Vingegaard you can't out descend an ex mountain biker from Durango. Good luck in the tour next year buddy!
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