American 1, 2, 3 in TdF?
07-04-06, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Laggard
George doesn't have the climbing legs to podium in the tdf.
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Originally Posted by Bud Bent
Didn't George win the toughest mountain stage last year?
07-04-06, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by rufvelo
...only if some guys like Basso, Ulrich, Mancebo, Armstrong, Valverde...were setting the pace
07-05-06, 10:33 PM
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The plot thickens once again now that the Tour is sans Valverde...
07-06-06, 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by ElJamoquio
I don't know that it'll be all that strange. I don't think Hincapie has ever tried to actually do well in the GC.
07-06-06, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by ElJamoquio
I don't know that it'll be all that strange. I don't think Hincapie has ever tried to actually do well in the GC.
- Sometimes working for a team leader kills your own ambition with the extra expenditure of energy you're forced to make, and lack of a team+individual strategy that supports your skills.
- Sometimes, lack of a leader with GC capability and suddenly the guys who looked good by his side in the mountains one year completely disappear the next year, without a driver to raise their own game. We'll see.
I'm all for future Tdf winner George though, he's talented and a very hard worker. Hope he also gets a Roubaix win sometime.
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07-06-06, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by rufvelo
Works in different ways:
I'm all for future Tdf winner George though, he's talented and a very hard worker.
I'm all for future Tdf winner George though, he's talented and a very hard worker.
07-06-06, 11:28 AM
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right, he's been riding in the tour for 10 years. that's good in one way, but bad in another. however, in an interview he said something interesting about not having to ride hard for the first hour of each stage to put lance in good position. so, i wonder what his potential is in the mountains now that he'll probably have fresher legs going into it.
07-06-06, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Laggard
There's that pesky age thing though. He's no peloton spring chicken.
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Zoetemelk was 34 when he won his TDF. Hincapie is no Zoetemelk though. Keep in mind that the oldest winner ever of the TDF was 36. George has some good classics years ahead of him, but his days as a serious GC contender are going bye bye soon.
07-09-06, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by adamastor
Honestly, they wouldn't give a ****, because they know they have nobody presently that can make it to the podium. They'll be happy if Moncoutié wins his usual stage in the Alpes, and if they win the stage on 14th July, Bastille day.
Other than that, you can be damn sure they'll find it very weird, if those guys win stages in the mountains with large advances. Let's see:
Hincapie: 32 - 9 participations in the Tour (104th, 53rd, 78th, 65th, 71st, 59th, 47th, 33rd, 14th)
Landis: 31 - 4 participations (61st, 77th, 23rd, 9th)
Leipheimer: 32 - 3 participations (6th, 9th, 8th)
(Source: Tour de France - participations with abandons not included)
Don't get me wrong. These guys are very good, but if they make it all to the podium, we'll have a fun story to tell here again.
Other than that, you can be damn sure they'll find it very weird, if those guys win stages in the mountains with large advances. Let's see:
Hincapie: 32 - 9 participations in the Tour (104th, 53rd, 78th, 65th, 71st, 59th, 47th, 33rd, 14th)
Landis: 31 - 4 participations (61st, 77th, 23rd, 9th)
Leipheimer: 32 - 3 participations (6th, 9th, 8th)
(Source: Tour de France - participations with abandons not included)
Don't get me wrong. These guys are very good, but if they make it all to the podium, we'll have a fun story to tell here again.
Here's the thing: take a soccer player (or a baseball player, or a football player): when he has been a professional for 12 years, it's never then you go saying: wooww, he is a new Pele, or a new Maradona.
Same with Hincapie, any rider of the 90's / beginning 2000 you ask will tell you Hincapie is NOT a great Tour rider. And if he becomes that, then that will raise questions. His result yesterday was totally normal.
07-10-06, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by SunSwingsLow
Hey Im all for a clean event, but I am also for a fair process. You test positive you should be out of Cycling. I realize France is a common law country which basically means you are guilty until proven innocent, but you will have to forgive me if I am just a little pissed off that the tour wont have its best riders based on implication and and not conviction.
Time will tell who will be convicted but until a conviction these riders are still innocent. Especially without a positive test on ay of them. That they will not participate based on the current information is sad.
Time will tell who will be convicted but until a conviction these riders are still innocent. Especially without a positive test on ay of them. That they will not participate based on the current information is sad.
07-10-06, 05:16 PM
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As someone already pointed out the idea that the U.S. would go 1,2,3 in the TDF has now been shown to be a pipe dream.
Anyone bother to look up how rare it is for a single country to go 1,2,3 in the TDF?
It happened a few times before WW I. Not surprising as all events at that time were more locally concentrated.
Since WW I it has been done only twice. In 1920 by Belgium and in 1947 by France. This is your chance to show some knowledge of the past.
Anyone know how this sweep in 47 is tainted?
Anyone bother to look up how rare it is for a single country to go 1,2,3 in the TDF?
It happened a few times before WW I. Not surprising as all events at that time were more locally concentrated.
Since WW I it has been done only twice. In 1920 by Belgium and in 1947 by France. This is your chance to show some knowledge of the past.
Anyone know how this sweep in 47 is tainted?
07-10-06, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Keith99
As someone already pointed out the idea that the U.S. would go 1,2,3 in the TDF has now been shown to be a pipe dream.
Yes, Levi is 6 minutes back, but, if this really is because he was "feeling bad", and if he will feel better in the mountains, he is likely to be able to make that up on guys like Gonchar, Rogers and maybe even Menchov.
The real obstacles are Evans, Salvodelli, Klöden, Sastre, Pereiro, Zubeldia, etc. But again, if he does feel better, whatever time he can't make up in the mountains he might be able to capture in the final TT. We'll see.
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Originally Posted by Laggard
Keep in mind that the oldest winner ever of the TDF was 36. .
07-10-06, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Alekhine
Who was this? Bartali in '48?
Which you could find using Google in 20 seconds by typing in "TDF oldest rider".
In this case it is an answer that is reliable. There have been others that were a bit off.
07-10-06, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Helmet Head
Not very likely, but a pipe dream? I'm not so sure.
Yes, Levi is 6 minutes back, but, if this really is because he was "feeling bad", and if he will feel better in the mountains, he is likely to be able to make that up on guys like Gonchar, Rogers and maybe even Menchov.
The real obstacles are Evans, Salvodelli, Klöden, Sastre, Pereiro, Zubeldia, etc. But again, if he does feel better, whatever time he can't make up in the mountains he might be able to capture in the final TT. We'll see.
Yes, Levi is 6 minutes back, but, if this really is because he was "feeling bad", and if he will feel better in the mountains, he is likely to be able to make that up on guys like Gonchar, Rogers and maybe even Menchov.
The real obstacles are Evans, Salvodelli, Klöden, Sastre, Pereiro, Zubeldia, etc. But again, if he does feel better, whatever time he can't make up in the mountains he might be able to capture in the final TT. We'll see.
When was the last time someone was down by 6 minutes and came back to Podium? (Ok there is one and you know it, but how about excluding breaks of non-contenders that get 20 minutes).
And of course even if Levi comes back that does not mean that none of the other Americans will have a bad day that puts him out of contention.
07-10-06, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by SunSwingsLow
Hey Im all for a clean event, but I am also for a fair process. You test positive you should be out of Cycling. I realize France is a common law country which basically means you are guilty until proven innocent, but you will have to forgive me if I am just a little pissed off that the tour wont have its best riders based on implication and and not conviction.
Time will tell who will be convicted but until a conviction these riders are still innocent. Especially without a positive test on ay of them. That they will not participate based on the current information is sad.
Time will tell who will be convicted but until a conviction these riders are still innocent. Especially without a positive test on ay of them. That they will not participate based on the current information is sad.
07-10-06, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Keith99
Which you could find using Google in 20 seconds by typing in "TDF oldest rider".
07-10-06, 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Keith99
As someone already pointed out the idea that the U.S. would go 1,2,3 in the TDF has now been shown to be a pipe dream.
Anyone bother to look up how rare it is for a single country to go 1,2,3 in the TDF?
It happened a few times before WW I. Not surprising as all events at that time were more locally concentrated.
Since WW I it has been done only twice. In 1920 by Belgium and in 1947 by France. This is your chance to show some knowledge of the past.
Anyone know how this sweep in 47 is tainted?
Anyone bother to look up how rare it is for a single country to go 1,2,3 in the TDF?
It happened a few times before WW I. Not surprising as all events at that time were more locally concentrated.
Since WW I it has been done only twice. In 1920 by Belgium and in 1947 by France. This is your chance to show some knowledge of the past.
Anyone know how this sweep in 47 is tainted?
But I also don't see how that year was a French sweep. The offical tour results I can find say Italians took 3rd and 4th in '47, with French riders 1st, 2nd, and 5th. Jean Robic took the yellow; the Italian in 3rd was Pierre Brambilla.
07-11-06, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Allen H
Well, when I looked up '47, it's the first TdF since 1939 (the outbreak of WWII) - and there was some controversy about a difference in available food supplies between riders and/or teams that year.
But I also don't see how that year was a French sweep. The offical tour results I can find say Italians took 3rd and 4th in '47, with French riders 1st, 2nd, and 5th. Jean Robic took the yellow; the Italian in 3rd was Pierre Brambilla.
But I also don't see how that year was a French sweep. The offical tour results I can find say Italians took 3rd and 4th in '47, with French riders 1st, 2nd, and 5th. Jean Robic took the yellow; the Italian in 3rd was Pierre Brambilla.
I'm also not sure what tainted thing he's talking about, but my guess is that he's talking about how Robic paid off Fachleitner 100,000 francs to stop his attack on the last stage. It's also one of those tours where the winner never once wore yellow, but that's not really a, um, taint...
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Originally Posted by Allen H
Well, when I looked up '47, it's the first TdF since 1939 (the outbreak of WWII) - and there was some controversy about a difference in available food supplies between riders and/or teams that year.
But I also don't see how that year was a French sweep. The offical tour results I can find say Italians took 3rd and 4th in '47, with French riders 1st, 2nd, and 5th. Jean Robic took the yellow; the Italian in 3rd was Pierre Brambilla.
But I also don't see how that year was a French sweep. The offical tour results I can find say Italians took 3rd and 4th in '47, with French riders 1st, 2nd, and 5th. Jean Robic took the yellow; the Italian in 3rd was Pierre Brambilla.