SaintAndrew

what in God's green earth are you talking about? i'm referring to daniel coyle who wrote lance armstrong's war.

HDTVKSS

unlike another said country that had to have a war to decide that slavery is not a good idea its ok Koffee, im not a yank hater. and i dont thikn theres a lot to be gained by playing tit for tat here in this thread. its often easier to look at the bad things a country has done than the good things, of which i tihnk the USA and Australia have both contributed several of to the world. can we kiss and make up now please

anyhoo i digress. The guys returned a positive test. 11 Times over, if i read it correctly. its interesting. In Aus you would get the same reaction from most sports fans. we are bred to beleive that our sporting heros are super human, toatly infallable and would never lie or cheat their way to the top. this doesnt necessarily make it so.

So, no matter what the guys like on the outside, or to the media. sports stars are all ultra full of themselves. they have to be to get to the top of their profession. that takes killer instinct, take no prisoners. Peter Brock is an Aus motor racing driver, probably the best the country has ever produced. as a Driver he was sublime, as a media personality he was even better. Its all an act, and this has been shown latley. It doenst correspond directly to cycling but its still a similar situation. In this regard i have respect for Armtrong + Lemond. they may come across as a 1st class prick a lot of the time but at least hes not hiding it from anyone.

End of the day, its ego and money. combine the two and you have ripe grounds for creating an environment that activley breed the will and ability to cheat.

its ok to have faith, and i can understand why so many will not beleive Landis flouted the rules, but please put your emotions to the side when the B sample comes out and look at it from a scientific and rational point of view instead of pure emotion. Landis will not loose an ounce of sleep worrying whether you think he cheated or not, so neithter should you.

Thylacine

+1

Add some sort of obsessive-compulsive disorder to that list and you have a neat discription of many pro athletes.

Which is why I always say....looking up to sports people is utterly stupid. They're advertising tools, not moral and spiritual crusaders. Sure, it would be nice if they are, but seriously, I'd much prefer it if people would see them for the entertainers they are and not as some Gandhi substitute for a world where there is currently very few figures to look up to.

mrkott3r

At the extreme risk of getting banned (and that is not a statement so I can say later, "see you banned me)

1. I did not try to circumvent the profanity filter. So it was blocked. If you took offense I regret that and look at number 2.
2. Its the internet there is no respect (except maybe for Sheldon Brown). Go have a look at a gaming forum site, now that stuff is harsh.
3. You bought up the political stuff first by apparently posting "Australia's dirty history." Ill leave it at that but just add a little bit of general knowledge; Most Australians now take extreme pride in our convict past, most noteably when singing Waltzing Matilda. From the National Library of Australia,
"For most people, the words of ‘Waltzing Matilda’ embody the free spirit, resourcefulness and defiance of authority associated with the Australian national character.

Ban me if you wish I probably should be doing uni work anyway.

Hitchy

I 'd be happy to apologise...but if he's found guilty, I want an apology from him for the fraud he committed against everyone who wanted to believe...I reckon I know who'll be doing the apologising

Hitchy

so insular, so insular....maybe you should check the population demographic of Aus before you post something so ridiculous...but then you'd know what you were talking about...why break the habits of a life time?...if I post a smiley face, does that make it alright? ...theres 2 for good measure

Hitchy

[QUOTE=koffee brown]Before you talk, do some research first. Then you won't sound completely obtuse.

/QUOTE]


wouldn't that be the pot calling the kettle black?

JBBOOKS

Not to be rude, but this thread is headed way off topic (with the help of the mod). Perhaps we can leave the politics and bashing to another forum and get back to discussing Floyd's positive test?

Hitchy

......sounds reasonable to me

mrkott3r

Not being rude, its the internet, topics go off course.
It'll correct itself next big Floyd related announcement.

If you want to do more reading, there are plenty of threads even in thess/fg forum. I guess other cycling forums are discussing it. Also try digg https://www.digg.com/other_sports its highly addictive and recommended. If you do sign up add me as a friend. I rock as mrkott3r over there.

EURO

i.e. – useless.

One day, people are going to stop making this same tired attempt at a round-a-bout insult. Why don’t you just straight up insult me? Are you not a man??

All a negative test shows is that he had a negative test. Tests are NO INDICATION WHATSOEVER that a rider is clean.

Threads like this make me pray for some kind of nuclear holocaust. Let the animals have the planet again.

mrkott3r

coupla of these should do the trick

domestique

lol..... you are too funny Euro. Insults over the internet are nothing more then elementary name calling and reserved for children....are you a child? I was only looking out for your future well being as an individual. Your health is a great importance to me. this ensures that you will continue to make your smug European comments that not only attack other bike forum memebers but also adds nothing to the discussion except wasting bandwith.

I really wish you would go back to taking your Schizophrenic medication and return to Ben Cousins. I enjoyed reading his posts because they were actually enlighting. Utnil then Euro... cheers!

HWS

They're not that big anymore

mrkott3r

sen. Stevens, "the internet is a serious of tubes and ah ah ah and google is getting a free ride!"

Dammit EURO stop wasting bandwidth so the USA doesn't face a tiered internet! Which will hurt the rest of us.

mrkott3r

Mate if we are gonna go out in a bang I want the biggest damn one possible!

Crack'n'fail

actually, thanks to technical "advancements" the bombs got smaller and the bangs got bigger.

rufvelo

We certainly do produce our share of liars and cheats, but they're not that sophisticated, since they don't have that exlusive 'ex-con' gene - so they get caught

USAZorro

You have not personally attacked, no. You have provocatively advanced a number of your beliefs (most especially those about the use of cortisone), ignored several substantive replies, switched topics and rolled right into "lynch Floyd" mode. If you sincerely expect that these actions are not going to result in some heated response, then I guess you must have just fallen off the proverbial turnip truck. This doesn't make the attacks right, but for you to portray yourself as an innocent victim would be rather disingenuous.

Frankly, your arguments have been shallow, and based on your gut feel. You seem unwilling to even consider evidence beyond what you choose to.

With tooth marks on my tongue,

Z

Guest

Whoops. Paul Coyle. My bad.

Names are way too common.

Koffee

Guest

No, YOU brought up the political crap. So end it... NOW. If you want to talk about the politics of a country, confine it to the Politics and Religion forum.

Koffee

Guest

I lived in Australia. I know plenty. And I know all the dirty secrets.

In any case, the next political statement will trash the thread. Either it's about the drug test, or this thread is trashed. Pick.

Koffee

Mod

Dead Extra #2

That's exactly what my last girlfriend told me!

rufvelo

You should be proud to be an Aussie! It not like we hate you either - whatever for? Just pointing out that loosely used terms like 'seppo' and 'yank' may not be very endearing to the population here! We have terms for you too, prefer not to use them in a hopefully civil discussion.

rufvelo

We're doing our best here to research per your suggestion.

Perhaps you can share some hopefully enlightening stats on the collective wealth and economic status of the original inhabitants of your land, relative to that enjoyed by the newer population. I'll be the first to agree that we have lots of work to do in that regard here in the US, but I haven't seen significantly better results in the rest of the world, among nations who sought to build empires and their 'territories'.