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According the Chris Horner above, the rider was Paulinho.
08-12-09, 04:04 PM
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guess what, AC won 1st and LA took 3rd. nothing will change that. AC feels undermined by LA and others...nothing will change that...LA thinks AC is a young, selfish jerk...nothing will change that.
AC is going to pwn LA next year. nothing will change that. so will someone put popcorn in the microwave and lets move on please.
AC is going to pwn LA next year. nothing will change that. so will someone put popcorn in the microwave and lets move on please.
why keep adding fuel to this fire? just watch the races and cheer for your favorites.
LA and AC both just need a long ride on the wambulance
08-12-09, 07:08 PM
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https://blog.oregonlive.com/horner/20..._explains.html
According the Chris Horner above, the rider was Paulinho.
According the Chris Horner above, the rider was Paulinho.
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08-12-09, 08:45 PM
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Instead of speculation, I'll just stick with the words that actually came out of Chris's mouth.
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So five spots were locked up (Armstrong, Contador, Leiphiemer, Kloden, Muravey), Rast is a specialist, and Popo and Zubeldia were assured. That left one spot and it was between Paulhino and Horner.
Horner said in his blog (re-read it if you need to) that he lost out to politics, and referred to the politics between AC and the Yanquis (my term) - that AC insisted on "one of his boys", specifically Paulhino, so one of the Yanquis - Horner - had to go.
Btw, this whole thing makes no sense unless riders have unique radio frequencies (afaik they don't). If Bruyneel had made a call to split the peleton, the entire team would have heard it. And there's really no way to plan for something like that.
More likely Rojas saw Paulhino sit up after the split occurred. No sense in killing yourself to cross a gap that can't be crossed.
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08-13-09, 02:49 PM
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Actually, I read it differently. Muravey was in because Astana (the sponsor) insisted on a Khazak rider. That could hardly have been a secret before the final picks.
So five spots were locked up (Armstrong, Contador, Leiphiemer, Kloden, Muravey), Rast is a specialist, and Popo and Zubeldia were assured. That left one spot and it was between Paulhino and Horner.
Horner said in his blog (re-read it if you need to) that he lost out to politics, and referred to the politics between AC and the Yanquis (my term) - that AC insisted on "one of his boys", specifically Paulhino, so one of the Yanquis - Horner - had to go.
C'mon, you can say that about any other rider that made the team.
Btw, this whole thing makes no sense unless riders have unique radio frequencies (afaik they don't). If Bruyneel had made a call to split the peleton, the entire team would have heard it. And there's really no way to plan for something like that.
More likely Rojas saw Paulhino sit up after the split occurred. No sense in killing yourself to cross a gap that can't be crossed.
So five spots were locked up (Armstrong, Contador, Leiphiemer, Kloden, Muravey), Rast is a specialist, and Popo and Zubeldia were assured. That left one spot and it was between Paulhino and Horner.
Horner said in his blog (re-read it if you need to) that he lost out to politics, and referred to the politics between AC and the Yanquis (my term) - that AC insisted on "one of his boys", specifically Paulhino, so one of the Yanquis - Horner - had to go.
C'mon, you can say that about any other rider that made the team.
Btw, this whole thing makes no sense unless riders have unique radio frequencies (afaik they don't). If Bruyneel had made a call to split the peleton, the entire team would have heard it. And there's really no way to plan for something like that.
More likely Rojas saw Paulhino sit up after the split occurred. No sense in killing yourself to cross a gap that can't be crossed.
I realize this is a big game of "what if", but pretend you're Bruyneel, and disregard what the sponsor, and what Contador requested. Who do you pick? Six of the picks are no brainers - Contador, Lance, Levi, Zubeldia, Kloden and Popovych. That leaves three. Rast gets picked because Johan always includes a big, strong reliable rider for setting pace on flat stages and early on mountain stages.
There are two spots left. You could potentially pick from Horner, Paulinho, Brajkovic and Muravyev. Brajkovic has two grand tours under his belt, including the Giro this year. Chris has ridden in the Tour three times, and has ridden in a couple more Grand Tours. Paulinho has ridden three times in the Vuelta and once at the Tour. Muravyev rode the Vuelta last year.
Who do you pick? Apparently, the team had other plans for Brajkovic since the start of the year, and he's still young and asking him to ride back-back tours isn't something he's ready for yet. My picks would be Horner and Paulinho - both because of their experience, and because they have the ability to remain near the front through a climbing stage. In my world, Muravyev took the spot Horner deserved.
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Well, "deserves" is a whole different matter. Without the Astana and AC factors, Horner would be riding in his place. And if wishes were nickels I'd be a rich man. Here, in the real world, "deserves" didn't apply (more's the pity).
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There's our common ground here. Hopefully he'll get another shot before he calls it a career.
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Leipheimer was dropped as well in that split? If you're "conspiracy theory" had any credit then Levi would of been with Lance in the split. After Contdador's "credit" to Levi for Contador's Vuelta vicotry Levi would of been riding for Lance and not been dropped in that split if he was "tipped" off along with everyone in that split. Oh yah Kloden was split too.
The team did as best it could and I think each rider ended up where the should of. Stop *****ing. If Levi was still in it maybe they would of had a podium sweep. But seriously.. stop with this ****.
The team did as best it could and I think each rider ended up where the should of. Stop *****ing. If Levi was still in it maybe they would of had a podium sweep. But seriously.. stop with this ****.
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