Nachoman

Or millions put toward better drug testing technology, so people don't try and beat the test.

PeddlingPilgrim

since it's been going off topic in this respect... if lance voted for fellow texan ron paul (if he runs for POTUS again & wins[lol]) it would make sense and possibly solve his legal problems!

* end to war on drugs, & how the government monitors what goes into someone's body.
* end to frivolous lawsuits.
* end to possible bailout of postal service, ironically. - https://bit.ly/k8TK1d

guadzilla

Now you, Pcad, may be making the above statement to explain why you still find the Lance story compelling. But a lot of people make the same/similar statements to try to excuse Lance's actions.

One thing you and I are in full agreement about is UCI and what a POS that organization is.

I just want the truth to be outed. I dont particularly think Lance's titles should be stripped based on the outcome of this investigation. To me, this investigation holds the possibility of revealing all of UCI's dirty secrets and that's a great thing.

However, if a positive was indeed concealed in 2001, then - and only then - he should lose the 2001 and 2002 titles. Or Landis should get his TdF title back, as should everyone else who was stripped of a title after a positive.

Homebrew01

Maybe some people should think about it in personal job terms. Imagine you're unemployed & trying to get whatever job you currently have, and there are 5 other guys trying to get the same job. Then a friend of yours tells you that these little pills will help you with the interview, and make you 10% more productive at work, which will impress your boss....... And don't worry, nobody will find out .......

Homebrew01

Psssst, Jan Ullrich was doping too

K.Katso

All of those guys in that list were implicated in one doping scandal or another at one point. I don't think any of them were clean, so I suppose now we're going to strip the title from one doper to give to another. Then repeat over and over until finally the guy that got 43rd place is the winner?

It's too bad that we can't just leave the past in the past, and keep looking forward.

chipcom 

They also masterminded 9/11

patentcad

I just watched more outtakes from Tyler's interview with 60 Minutes. Forget about it, that guy comes across as 101% credible. In my view. And I'm a skeptic. He'll play well with any jury.

patentcad

On the other hand I believed Lance for many years, so take that from where it comes.

patentcad

We've been over this chippy. That was W and the CIA. The Cycling Cabal is just part of the Cover Up.

thump55

It sounds like you need congress and a court to decide for you if Lance doped. The rest of us don't.

BTW, maybe you want to discuss the finer legal details of this case with OJ.

v70cat

I don't see the connection taking a legal drug for a hard on and using drugs to win a race seems like two totally different things.

If I need Viagra I would use it but I never would dope in a sports competition with illegal drugs.

Dominae

Here's how Tyler Hamilton's attorney explains it: https://amlawdaily.typepad.com/amlawd...interview.html


By the way, the "everyone else was doping too" excuse (not that you were making that argument Melinextralight) sounds like something my 8 year old says when he gets in trouble at school. I don't buy it from an 8 year old and I won't buy it from an adult, either. First of all, it is an overgeneralization. You cannot say that, literally "every single person" in the peloton was doping. For those that weren't, and came in last place, they were most certainly at a distinct disadvantage. Secondly, its a deflection--no one was making you dope. As an adult, you made the decision to not, not some other guy. Tolerating cheating in this way is akin to giving a pass to all the Wall St. bankers who were cheating simply because it was a widespread practice, and if they didn't keep up with the times, they wouldn't be "successful" (whatever that means).

zigmeister

1) Tyler is either ignorant/clueless/lying about what the "tiny/little pills" were. He claims they were testosterone, which they took orally. Note, he didn't say sublingually, he said they just swallowed/orally took them.

2) His doping expert/doctors that told them taking testosterone orally by swallowing them is a good idea are really completely ignorant about the best methods to raise levels in your body.

Orally taking testosterone is the most inefficient and unhealthiest method, and two, the "tiny/small pills" would have such a low quantity to even give any benefit once passed through the liver to make a difference.

Floyd's story about using a gel/cream is a much better method due to the fast absorption, like 2-3hrs to peak level, then within 10-12 hours, the levels would decrease, hence you need to put it on every day to keep your levels up, which would make for better detection avoidance. Or, taken a sublingual/lozenge under your tongue would also provide a quick absorption, short half-life and better detection avoidance. But Tyler didn't describe this. Floyd never said anything about pills. I believe Floyd's method because hundreds of thousands of men take Androgel/Testim, or a compounded testosterone cream everyday that suffer from primary/secondary hypogonadism.

By the way Tyler, was that a FedEx package, or DHL package that the EPO arrived in that Lance allegedly sent you, after your secret Bat phone conversation? Funny how he recalls in such great detail events and "facts", yet he doesn't recall what company delivered the package? Odd. Did he sign for it? Or did Lance/or whoever allegedly sent him the EPO know better not to require a signature???

chipcom 

Then how do you explain the bike parts in Building 7? The evidence is overwhelming, somebody droped the hammer on Building 7. Tyler has shifty eyes. The prosecution rests. CCD?

himespau 

I've been reading the Joe Parkin books (Dog in a Hat and Come and Gone) and wondering if he wishes he'd come up 5 years later when EPO was safer or would have used it at all (other than the occasional uppers he admits to trying).

himespau 

and changed the word Kenya to Hawai'i on Obama's birth certificate with some really good photoshopping skills.

asv

The Outakes video is excellent. It definitely shows that Tyler is 100% credible.

https://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504803_1...ag=component.0

merlinextraligh

Most folks think of express package delivery, generically. "Fed Ex" to express delivery is like Kleenex to tissue. Most folks don't make a lot of note whether their shipment comes Fed Ex, UPS, or USPS priority mail, or DHL, particularly 6-7 years later.

I could not tell you whether the parts I got from Excel Sports last week came by Fed Ex or UPS, but I know they came express deliverly.

chipcom 

Mahalo, bra

himespau 

or maybe that was the Pentavirate. I get them all mixed up.

gregf83 

I don't view it as an excuse, but an explanation of one of the factors riders used to make their decision.

It's very easy to be sanctimonious and say you would never have taken drugs under the same conditions but for young 20-25 yr old riders who had dedicated significant portions of their lives to cycling with no University education and not a lot of options in life, the decision would have been very difficult.

Rutnick

the case the federal government is making isn't whether or not Lance used PEDs. It's whether or not he used sponsor money (postal service) to buy them. That's what they are looking to prove and it will be impossible.

Shimagnolo

Landis reported that they sold donated bike components to help fund the doping.
That might be the best defense against the allegations, but I think it is principally a contractual issue;
i.e. the contract prohibited doping.

youngmrzee

But who wasn't? Armstrong is taking the fall; not Ullrich.