Tour de France Stage 10; Saint-Gildas-Des-Bois to Saint Malo
07-09-13, 10:19 AM
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Veelers crash was his own fault for relaxing so much that a shoulder bump wipes him out.
Cav was just trying to sprint and the road was bending left.
And the organizers didn't help having a corner in the last 200 meters.
This aint crit racing for gods sake.
I love that Kittel has taken two, yet never gets included in the pre-game shows as one of the "big" sprinters. Ha
Cav was just trying to sprint and the road was bending left.
And the organizers didn't help having a corner in the last 200 meters.
This aint crit racing for gods sake.
I love that Kittel has taken two, yet never gets included in the pre-game shows as one of the "big" sprinters. Ha
07-09-13, 10:20 AM
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Question. Do bikers self police the way they do in baseball? Might Argos Shimano bump Cavendish on the next sprint stage? Not saying they should, but just wondering.
07-09-13, 10:22 AM
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That will really change now!
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07-09-13, 10:22 AM
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No. People get killed out there, deliberately taking someone out (which is not what happened here, btw) would be universally frowned upon.
07-09-13, 10:27 AM
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The finish was like a crit, with the turn at 200m. A crash was almost guaranteed, it's amazing only one guy went down.
I am no Cav fanboy, but Cav's move looked mostly defensive to me. Kittel's leadout man was drifting his way (while looking over his shoulder at him). Neither racer did anything that rose to the level of rule-breaking, IMO. The Argos guy was probably just completely blown, not drifting intentionally, and the contact wasn't enough to put somebody on the ground if they are focused.
I am no Cav fanboy, but Cav's move looked mostly defensive to me. Kittel's leadout man was drifting his way (while looking over his shoulder at him). Neither racer did anything that rose to the level of rule-breaking, IMO. The Argos guy was probably just completely blown, not drifting intentionally, and the contact wasn't enough to put somebody on the ground if they are focused.
07-09-13, 10:32 AM
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Sure. But what I saw was the Argos-Shimano guy peeling off into Cavendish's path. He's entitled to race, and not simply say "after you."
He's also entitled to be pretty pissed off with his team. That's the second sprint finish in a row that he's been left alone and both times he has been blocked - last time he lost his chance by having to go round someone on a wide line, this time by going through someone. There'l be tantrums in the OPQ bus tonight...
He's also entitled to be pretty pissed off with his team. That's the second sprint finish in a row that he's been left alone and both times he has been blocked - last time he lost his chance by having to go round someone on a wide line, this time by going through someone. There'l be tantrums in the OPQ bus tonight...
agreed. I don't see the need for a DQ for Cav but will have to actually watch it first
07-09-13, 10:33 AM
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Think that crash might be why they sent Millar to the front with Martin? Keep their GC rider out of trouble as much as possible. It was a really impressive turn by Millar, he seemed to be on the front on his own for about 10kms, closing the gap on the 4 breakaways, and none of the sprinters' teams wanted to come around him!
07-09-13, 10:35 AM
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My gut feeling on it is that Cav was shocked that he caused that crash. He was totally distracted from that point on and sat up, looking over his shoulder and clearly wondering WTF.
Questionable move yes. Intentional, not at all.
Questionable move yes. Intentional, not at all.
07-09-13, 10:56 AM
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Watching the overhead shot of the last km again it seems clear to me that Veelers (the Argos leadout guy) knew exactly where Cav was and tried to block him slightly. Veelers went left, saw where Cav was and then drifted right. Not egregiously, just choosing to fade in the direction Cav happened to be. Cav reacted, or overreacted, with a hard shoulder bump.
07-09-13, 11:52 AM
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Nope, your all wrong!
This wasn't a bunch sprint, there were only 4 riders left at the front when Cav hit Veelers. IMO, Cav had plenty of room to get around Veelers without taking him out with a very hard shoulder blow. That was no accidental contact, Cav set himself up to hit Veelers hard with that shoulder. Cav, being the usual frustrated self when he can't win, took out his lack of leadout and his position on Veelers.
Cav will get DQ'd for today!
Case closed! Next!
This wasn't a bunch sprint, there were only 4 riders left at the front when Cav hit Veelers. IMO, Cav had plenty of room to get around Veelers without taking him out with a very hard shoulder blow. That was no accidental contact, Cav set himself up to hit Veelers hard with that shoulder. Cav, being the usual frustrated self when he can't win, took out his lack of leadout and his position on Veelers.
Cav will get DQ'd for today!
Case closed! Next!
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07-09-13, 12:05 PM
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Nope, your all wrong!
This wasn't a bunch sprint, there were only 4 riders left at the front when Cav hit Veelers. IMO, Cav had plenty of room to get around Veelers without taking him out with a very hard shoulder blow. That was no accidental contact, Cav set himself up to hit Degenkolb hard with that shoulder. Cav, being the usual frustrated self when he can't win, took out his lack of leadout and his position on Degenkolb.
Cav will get DQ'd for today!
Case closed! Next!
This wasn't a bunch sprint, there were only 4 riders left at the front when Cav hit Veelers. IMO, Cav had plenty of room to get around Veelers without taking him out with a very hard shoulder blow. That was no accidental contact, Cav set himself up to hit Degenkolb hard with that shoulder. Cav, being the usual frustrated self when he can't win, took out his lack of leadout and his position on Degenkolb.
Cav will get DQ'd for today!
Case closed! Next!
07-09-13, 12:09 PM
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In his defense, Phil/Paul didn't know either, first saying Kittel crashed, then Degenkolb. They were also replaying the crash repeatedly instead of the finish line video so they didn't know who had won until they heard it announced.
07-09-13, 12:25 PM
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Thanks, I knew I got that somewhere. I'm not smart enough to make that mistake all by myself!
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07-09-13, 12:29 PM
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IMO that one was 100% Cavs fault. Veelers held his line. Cav shouldered him hard enough to send Veelers to the deck.
07-09-13, 12:48 PM
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Veelers went right when the racing line and everyone else was turning left. He even looked over his shoulder before he did so. Only got himself to blame.
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07-09-13, 01:37 PM
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07-09-13, 01:39 PM
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thanks for some of this, not gonna read it all, but looking forward to watching later.
07-09-13, 02:04 PM
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Cavendish nudged Dutchman Tom Veelers off his bike as they sprinted for home.
“I touched him. The road was bearing left,”
Really? That was some nudge and some touch! But glad to see Cav taking the high road here. I think he really has to though, as quite a few riders were not happy about this touch...
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Nothing in the rules? LOL. Being able to handle contact is an essential survival skill, it's not about the rules. Cycling is a non-contact sport like basketball is a non-contact sport. Contact isn't the object, but if you can't handle it, you can't play.
07-09-13, 04:14 PM
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I say 50/50. I saw Veelers move left just a bit, out of Cav's line, so Cav begin to accelerate to find the next wheel. As he started moving past Veelers, Veelers wiggled right...not much but enough to pose a threat to Cav. What I saw next was Cav really lean into the contact that was inevitable. It looked like Cav's should hit Veeler's elbow, which is much different than if he had hit his shoulder.
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