Why do top TDF riders do poorly in USA Pro Challenge?
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Why do top TDF riders do poorly in USA Pro Challenge?
I'm just curious as to why Chris Froome and others who were top dogs at the TDF simply were not players at the Challenge. Is it altitude or some other reason.
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European Pros are not at the level of US Pros. Training here in the US is much more intense and the terrain is definitely much harder with thinner air and climbs with grades up to 30%s...
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Because it is viewed as a minor race and is either training time or payback time. Payback time meaning that they ride to help those who worked their butts off in the races that do matter.
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I think nutrition has a lot to do with it, too. Europe had 2 World Wars fought on their land and it isn't as productive.
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Ummm, because we dope better than those euros. duh.
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USA Pro Cycling Challenge is held in August; which is vacation month for Europeans. The Euro pros come here to relax.
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+1 - along with what the sponsors (Team Sky) wants. While I knew none of them were even going to try the win the race, at least they could have acted like they wanted to be there at and least try to win one stage. The first year it was held, Andy Schleck put in an effort to win a stage there but then started to play cat and mouse which allowed to peloton to catch them right at the end.
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Hinault won the Coors Classic GC in '86, on much of the same ground, after working for Lemond the year bofore in his win. (They were riding for the Red Zinger team specifically for that race). That was right after their rivalry that year for Greg's first TDF win. So there's no real reason why Europeans couldn't take it if they wanted it. Personally, I think they're just leaving it for Americans.
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• The days of "win everything" are gone. Modern pro training is about periodization, and making sure you're in shape for the big races -- spring classics, grand tours, Worlds. This results in riders blowing through their reserves during the Tour, and needing time to recover.
• Winning in Colorado requires more commitment that just showing up. Because of the altitude, riders need to spend at least a week acclimatizing.
• It's just not a big race. It's big for the US, but that's sort of like talking about "the biggest baseball game in Italy."
• The days of "win everything" are gone. Modern pro training is about periodization, and making sure you're in shape for the big races -- spring classics, grand tours, Worlds. This results in riders blowing through their reserves during the Tour, and needing time to recover.
• Winning in Colorado requires more commitment that just showing up. Because of the altitude, riders need to spend at least a week acclimatizing.
• It's just not a big race. It's big for the US, but that's sort of like talking about "the biggest baseball game in Italy."
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The last Grand Tour of the season is the Vuelta, that gets raced by teams dedicated to it.
What matters, matters, what doesn't is used for other purposes.
Read: "Domestique" by Charlie Weygelius to get a feel for how much riding a Grand Tour takes out of an experienced pro.
Winning everything was only possible for Merckx.
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The Challenge is a footnote to an afterthought in the Pro season for the Giro & TdF teams.
The last Grand Tour of the season is the Vuelta, that gets raced by teams dedicated to it.
What matters, matters, what doesn't is used for other purposes.
Read: "Domestique" by Charlie Weygelius to get a feel for how much riding a Grand Tour takes out of an experienced pro.
Winning everything was only possible for Merckx.
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The last Grand Tour of the season is the Vuelta, that gets raced by teams dedicated to it.
What matters, matters, what doesn't is used for other purposes.
Read: "Domestique" by Charlie Weygelius to get a feel for how much riding a Grand Tour takes out of an experienced pro.
Winning everything was only possible for Merckx.
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P.S. lol, I was one of those with terrible smart ass answer but it just seemed like the most appropriate thread for it. Other responses were hillarious as well.
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Incidentally, did any teams ride the tour of Utah as altitude training for the Vuelta?
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The pride in the last Grand Tour of the season is immense (RIP Euscadel.)
Pro teams these days have depth, same jersey's different rosters for the Classics, Giro, TdF & Vuelta.
https://velonews.competitor.com/2013/...stage-4_300606
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Froome is from the UK. The highest point in the UK is ~4500' with no paved road to the top. I'm not sure if they even have any paved roads going higher than 3000'. Australia fares only a little better, with most of the population basically at sea level and the highest city at 3500'. There are some mountains in France and Spain, but even the famed Alpe d'Huez climb tops out at 6000'.
USA Pro Challenge takes place in the mountains of Colorado. Most of the riding occurs above 6000'. This year, stages 1, 2, and 5 started at 8000'. Stage 6 route climbs from 5000' to 8000' and back.
In these conditions, strongest performers are those most experienced with high altitude. #1 - Tejay - grew up at the elevation of 4800'. #2 - Frank - is from Switzerland. #3 - Danielson - lives in Colorado. #1 by points - Sagan is from Slovakia (fairly hilly, though not as hilly as Colorado).
USA Pro Challenge takes place in the mountains of Colorado. Most of the riding occurs above 6000'. This year, stages 1, 2, and 5 started at 8000'. Stage 6 route climbs from 5000' to 8000' and back.
In these conditions, strongest performers are those most experienced with high altitude. #1 - Tejay - grew up at the elevation of 4800'. #2 - Frank - is from Switzerland. #3 - Danielson - lives in Colorado. #1 by points - Sagan is from Slovakia (fairly hilly, though not as hilly as Colorado).
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Froome is from the UK. The highest point in the UK is ~4500' with no paved road to the top. I'm not sure if they even have any paved roads going higher than 3000'. Australia fares only a little better, with most of the population basically at sea level and the highest city at 3500'. There are some mountains in France and Spain, but even the famed Alpe d'Huez climb tops out at 6000'.
USA Pro Challenge takes place in the mountains of Colorado. Most of the riding occurs above 6000'. This year, stages 1, 2, and 5 started at 8000'. Stage 6 route climbs from 5000' to 8000' and back.
In these conditions, strongest performers are those most experienced with high altitude. #1 - Tejay - grew up at the elevation of 4800'. #2 - Frank - is from Switzerland. #3 - Danielson - lives in Colorado. #1 by points - Sagan is from Slovakia (fairly hilly, though not as hilly as Colorado).
USA Pro Challenge takes place in the mountains of Colorado. Most of the riding occurs above 6000'. This year, stages 1, 2, and 5 started at 8000'. Stage 6 route climbs from 5000' to 8000' and back.
In these conditions, strongest performers are those most experienced with high altitude. #1 - Tejay - grew up at the elevation of 4800'. #2 - Frank - is from Switzerland. #3 - Danielson - lives in Colorado. #1 by points - Sagan is from Slovakia (fairly hilly, though not as hilly as Colorado).
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That's only a partial plus. There's a pretty significant difference between 5000' (Denver) and 8000'. Nairobi works because there are some mountains going above 8000' in the area. Johannesburg is on a plateau 200 miles from the nearest mountains.
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I wouldn't think a person's birthplace has much to do with how well they handle the altitude. I know people who live in Colorado ski country (elevation 9000 feet or so) who come east to visit family for a few weeks every summer... And then when they go back to Colorado, they get winded again just walking up the stairs (although they "get it back" pretty quickly).
There may be some pros who were born at altitude, but unless they spend a significant amount of time at altitude, I doubt it helps them much at events like the US Pro Challenge.
For unknown reasons, some people just seem to be immune to the effects of altitude. If you can come up with an explanation as to why, the mountaineering community would like to know the answer.
There may be some pros who were born at altitude, but unless they spend a significant amount of time at altitude, I doubt it helps them much at events like the US Pro Challenge.
For unknown reasons, some people just seem to be immune to the effects of altitude. If you can come up with an explanation as to why, the mountaineering community would like to know the answer.
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i am curious, if heritage and tradition were set aside and all the races are viewed primarily from the physical standpoint, how would one rank the difficulties/challenges of each tour.
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Froome and the like are not competitive in the USPro Challenge because they don't care to be. Not bothering to acclimate by coming out early or riding Utah is just a sign of it. It is possible if they went for it that they wouldn't be as competitive due to not being raised and trained at elevation, but that doesn't enter it here because they just don't try. It is just a transition period for them as they prepare for Worlds.
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OK. Internets are Serious Business.
• The days of "win everything" are gone. Modern pro training is about periodization, and making sure you're in shape for the big races -- spring classics, grand tours, Worlds. This results in riders blowing through their reserves during the Tour, and needing time to recover.
• Winning in Colorado requires more commitment that just showing up. Because of the altitude, riders need to spend at least a week acclimatizing.
• It's just not a big race. It's big for the US, but that's sort of like talking about "the biggest baseball game in Italy."
• The days of "win everything" are gone. Modern pro training is about periodization, and making sure you're in shape for the big races -- spring classics, grand tours, Worlds. This results in riders blowing through their reserves during the Tour, and needing time to recover.
• Winning in Colorado requires more commitment that just showing up. Because of the altitude, riders need to spend at least a week acclimatizing.
• It's just not a big race. It's big for the US, but that's sort of like talking about "the biggest baseball game in Italy."