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iherald 05-26-09 02:43 PM

Here is some pages from the Annotated Highway Traffic Act. It's from 2006, as my firm doesn't do this type of work, we don't keep it up to date. But, there are a series of cases listed and a little summary of each. Obviously this isn't legal advice, but information is never a bad thing.

http://www.gigasize.com/get.php?d=f3kvmvnoyjd

iherald 05-26-09 02:44 PM

Here is some pages from the Annotated Highway Traffic Act. It's from 2006, as my firm doesn't do this type of work, we don't keep it up to date. But, there are a series of cases listed and a little summary of each. Obviously this isn't legal advice, but information is never a bad thing.

http://www.gigasize.com/get.php?d=f3kvmvnoyjd

TRaffic Jammer 05-26-09 03:04 PM

^^^you're the shiz^^^

I think I'm going to approach a couple Cyclist Union buddies to see what my next move might be.

operator 05-26-09 04:26 PM

There are places in the world where lane splitting is legal for motorcycles. For example california.

operator 05-26-09 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by jet sanchEz (Post 8985880)
I really want them to legislate those damned E-bike things. A vehicle that can get up to speeds in excess of 40 km/h without a license is completely insane. I had one tailing me the other day with two riders on it and the guy was riding it like he was a cylcist, in between moving cars and parked cars. I would guesstimate that with the two riders and the bike, the vehicle would have been close to 300 lbs.

My memory of physics is pretty bad but 300lbs travelling at 25-30 km/h plus an unobservant pedestrian/jet sanchez equals one dead pedestrian/jet sanchez


Well if we're going to F=MA it then a 250 lb rider on a 50lb touring bike will be the same deal.

cavernmech 05-26-09 06:20 PM


Originally Posted by _K. (Post 8986550)
Hehehe I'd love to see an officer get assigned to "unmarked police bicycle" duty. Is there any officer on bike duty that would willingly ride a 40 hour week without that uniform on? Doubt it.

I knew an undercover cop a few years back that rode his bike most of the time. Nice guy and fully understanding of cyclists plight. He would regale me with stories of pulling over loutish drivers and sticking it to em. He was equally harsh on reckless cyclists but knew the difference between reckless and defensive.

elTwitcho 05-26-09 06:30 PM

I don't know the thing with threading to me is that it always struck me as being legal from my understanding of the law.

For instance, if I'm in a car, and a car in front of me is obstructing the lane and there's room for me to pass while still in the lane, I can legally do so.

So if I'm on my bike, which is defined as a vehicle, and a car is in front of me obstructing my lane, why can't I pass it exactly? If I'm on the right of the lane divider, I'm passing an obstruction within my own lane. What's illegal about that?

TRaffic Jammer 05-26-09 06:30 PM

...and how are you Keith?
I understand their glich regarding threading... as standstill/gridlock traffic is not an obstruction per say, but try to find someone who is going to try and enforce that on a systemic level.... as opposed to just trying to bully some guy they happen to have on the side of the road.

Ill Mitch 05-26-09 07:32 PM

You didn't hear it from me, but, there are some undercover cops riding these bikes this summer. ;)

smp22 05-26-09 08:49 PM

My front wheel got stolen today. Kind of a sh__ty buzz .. I was in the habit of carrying around two locks for a long time but with so much stuff in my backpack these days I omitted the extra lock today. Bad move.

Anyway, I know it's a long shot but if anyone sees a CPX22 laced to a formula hub (all silver) for sale .. give me a heads up please! Long shot that it is...
bummer man

I swear I always wonder how people get away with this stuff. High traffic area right in front of the Ted Rogers school of management on Dundas. Parked from 9:00am to 12:00pm. I know it happens all the time and in high traffic areas but in all my time living in the city I have yet to see someone walk up to a bike and take a wheel.

smp22 05-26-09 08:56 PM

Regarding the rules of the road .. passing cars on the left when they are turning or pulling over is something i always do. I never even questioned it. There was a cycling guide I got from urbane a while back that actually said it was proper procedure. I know that a free cycling guide isn't the HTA but I seem to remember that the guide was blessed by the city.
Either way, I think with so much of these cases the law is pretty grey and if I ever get a ticket for something like that I will take it to court.
One thing I learned from my years of riding motorcycles in this city .. with cops it's all got to be "yes sir" and "thank you sir" and zero attitude or sarcasm. The time to plead your case is in court, not usually at the side of the road. That being said, I think they primarily target simple things to enforce like no lights, running reds, stop signs etc. You can't really argue that stuff. Cops don't know the HTA as well as most people think I gather, not to mention that the odds of you winning in court for something like passing on the left .. I doubt they would bother. That's why cagers get nailed with speeding tickets more than anything else. hard to defend. Cops generally go for the low hanging fruit IME.

Flimflam 05-26-09 09:10 PM

I hit a woman, well more like her backpack, last night. Going south on Bay coming up to Elm, light had just gone green for us, I was in the curb lane with two full lanes of traffic (around 9pm) and I gun it, she appears around the corner of the lead minivan and I try and slow down, she pauses/stops briefly causing my right bar to hit her bag. She didn't go down and so I carried on after barely managing to hold onto the bike myself.

Feel bad about it, but at the same time she was the one who messed up, only I guess I should've been more cautious, and couldn't see her due to the higher vehicles in the front. Bah.

Didn't see any cops other than outside the Embassy/Court on University, tomorrow I doubt I will going up north.

MattRennick 05-26-09 09:39 PM


Originally Posted by smp22 (Post 8989150)
with cops it's all got to be "yes sir" and "thank you sir" and zero attitude or sarcasm. The time to plead your case is in court, not usually at the side of the road.

totally - i had a cop plead my case to a prosecutor on a red light ticket a while ago based on the fact that he remembered that i didn't give him a hard time and was polite... paid a nominal fee instead of $180 when i definitely ran the red in the first place so i fully back minding your Ps and Qs when it comes to dealing with the fuzzzzzz (not Andre); as long as they aren't being total dicks, themselves, of course.

with that said, i laughed out loud and booked as one tried to wave me over the other day.

jet sanchEz 05-26-09 10:34 PM


Originally Posted by Ill Mitch (Post 8988564)
You didn't hear it from me, but, there are some undercover cops riding these bikes this summer. ;)

Seriously? Undercover to bust cyclists with stupid infractions like not having a bell? Or are they going after drug dealers or something?

kergin 05-27-09 06:41 AM

Pretty cool: thestar.ca has a video covering the opening of bicycle station in Union Station. Apparently, VPark, Dufferin, Islington, and Kipling? will also get like stations. On Monday I was wandering the PATH on my lunch when I saw a booth near the Kitchen Table in First Canadian Place - they were selling folding and Biomega shaft-driven bikes.

iherald 05-27-09 06:50 AM


Originally Posted by TRaffic Jammer (Post 8987116)
^^^you're the shiz^^^

I think I'm going to approach a couple Cyclist Union buddies to see what my next move might be.

Glad to be of service! Sorry for the bad copies of the pages, I don't actually know how to use the photocopier properly.

tuz 05-27-09 06:50 AM

What's confusing about cycling in traffic is the double standards. You are expected to take the lane only when necessary but it's safer to always do so (or at least take half the lane, i.e not hug the curb). On the other hand it is tolerated to pass stopped cars and get a head start at the stop light. I would go nuts if I had to wait in line behind cars and it would almost defeat the purpose of cycling. But it would be safer to wait...

I guess it's a matter of critical mass. As long as they are relatively few cyclists on the road we lie in a gray zone and if you are experienced you'll get around fine. But without clear rules or enforcement it's hard to convince cycling is safe for newcomers. In places were cycling is important, bikes and cars get along and both follow the rules.

2wheelsgood 05-27-09 06:53 AM


Originally Posted by kergin (Post 8990695)
Pretty cool: thestar.ca has a video covering the opening of bicycle station in Union Station. Apparently, VPark, Dufferin, Islington, and Kipling? will also get like stations. On Monday I was wandering the PATH on my lunch when I saw a booth near the Kitchen Table in First Canadian Place - they were selling folding and Biomega shaft-driven bikes.

I saw that on the news last night. $2/day for indoor lockup.

tuz 05-27-09 06:56 AM

Re: E-bikes. I tried a power-assist one (form a coworker), where the motor only engages when you pedal. It's very cool it's like having a massive tailwind all the time. An electric scooter once sneaked up on me, they are very silent. Those should be considered like, uh, scooters, but the one I encountered behaved like a bike. Not cool.

tuz 05-27-09 06:59 AM

and finally... Anybody has one of those cool hidden bolt DA/600-Ultegra/AX threaded stems? I have one but am missing the cap.

2wheelsgood 05-27-09 07:03 AM

From ctv.ca: "Parking costs $2 per day for non-members, while members will pay a separate monthly fee and have 24-hour access to the bicycle station. (Non-members can only access the bicycle station between 7 a.m. and 7 p.m.)"

From gotransit.com: "On weekdays, due to rush-hour crowding, you may not take them on trains scheduled to arrive at Union Station between 6:30 and 9:30 a.m. or that leave Union Station between 3:30 and 6:30 p.m. Bicycles are also prohibited inside Union Station during those times."


So if you want to ride to the go train you're basically screwed unless you work from 10:15 - 3:00!

cavernmech 05-27-09 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by smp22 (Post 8989109)
I swear I always wonder how people get away with this stuff. High traffic area right in front of the Ted Rogers school of management on Dundas. Parked from 9:00am to 12:00pm. I know it happens all the time and in high traffic areas but in all my time living in the city I have yet to see someone walk up to a bike and take a wheel.

I got a call from a buddy who had his bike locked up on Yonge, right in front of HMV, and had his key bust off in the lock. He called me at the shop and asked if I could help him out. I dutifully strapped our 4 foot bolt cutters to my bike and headed over. As I was cutting the lock, not only did a single person not say a word, but a cop car drove by and didn't bat an eyelash. Why doesn't this shiz happen when I am riding by?

2wheelsgood 05-27-09 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by cavernmech (Post 8990913)
Why doesn't this shiz happen when I am riding by?

I often daydream about catching a bike thief in the act. One day...

MattRennick 05-27-09 07:48 AM


Originally Posted by 2wheelsgood (Post 8990929)
I often daydream about catching a bike thief in the act. One day...

One day, my friend...

A couple of years ago some friends and I hatched a plan to setup a brakeless / freewheeled bait bike and then chase the guy as soon as he got on it... but our good sense got the better of us and we decided that as much as we'd love to put the boots to a bike thief caught in the act; none of us wanted their serious injuries (or death) on our conscience... or criminal record, for that matter.

2wheelsgood 05-27-09 07:57 AM

I just want the satisfaction of knowing that I stopped someone's bike from getting ripped off. Like I said when your saddle was stolen recently, it isn't so mush the loss of property it's the feeling that you can't do anything about it. So being there when I could do something about it would feel pretty good.

trueno92 05-27-09 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by kergin (Post 8990695)
Pretty cool: thestar.ca has a video covering the opening of bicycle station in Union Station. Apparently, VPark, Dufferin, Islington, and Kipling? will also get like stations. On Monday I was wandering the PATH on my lunch when I saw a booth near the Kitchen Table in First Canadian Place - they were selling folding and Biomega shaft-driven bikes.


hey dude, the folding bikes are Strida's and they are pretty cool for mixed mode transit. they are kinda slow and really made for the older gent that wants something to ride when he docks his yacht cuz the pier seems longer every year.

The strida's were or still are sold by curbside, but it looks like areaware distro has gone direct to market in canada.

the strida is a whopping $980.....tho..
(there were a few knock-offs on criagslist 18months ago...)

rent must be high in the path, but i hope they sell a lot of bikes, in hopes to see more ppl on bikes.

2wheelsgood 05-27-09 08:04 AM

and you CAN carry folding bikes on the go train during rush hour.

kergin 05-27-09 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by cavernmech (Post 8990913)
I got a call from a buddy who had his bike locked up on Yonge, right in front of HMV, and had his key bust off in the lock. He called me at the shop and asked if I could help him out. I dutifully strapped our 4 foot bolt cutters to my bike and headed over. As I was cutting the lock, not only did a single person not say a word, but a cop car drove by and didn't bat an eyelash. Why doesn't this shiz happen when I am riding by?

A similar thing happened to my roommate, except his ride was locked up at the north-east corner of Queen & Spadina. He went at it with a hacksaw, IIRC, and no one batted an eye. Same old story, I guess: unless it affects them personally, people couldn't care less.

TRaffic Jammer 05-27-09 08:35 AM

I tell ya man bikes are invisible....

Accept during Bike Week/Month when my damned newspaper declares it a "war" in print. I've been yelled at more for riding in the last three days than the entirety of the previous year. I think I may beg editorial to just forget the "public service" next year. On the ride home I cross at a light and was on the last "block" and had this guy in a van, with whom I had no interaction at all just spewing hate and spit, all red faced... I thought he was going to pop something, ranting about how I shouldn't be on the road, effin' bikes...effing up Jarvis for all the ppl that work...... nuts I tell ya.

Keith glad you're OK!!!! You gonna be alright for Friday?

jet sanchEz 05-27-09 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by 2wheelsgood (Post 8991018)
I just want the satisfaction of knowing that I stopped someone's bike from getting ripped off. Like I said when your saddle was stolen recently, it isn't so mush the loss of property it's the feeling that you can't do anything about it. So being there when I could do something about it would feel pretty good.

A couple of years ago I was in a car going by MEC and I saw a guy taking a hacksaw to a bike-lock in their bike stand area. It was probably his and he lost the key or something but I fished out a MEC receipt from my wallet and gave them a call anyways. The guy at the desk ran out to find out what was going on. I doubt I stopped a bike thief but I couldn't not do something.

I remember talking to Bikeophile once many years ago and he was saying how he came out from shopping at MEC and his Brooks saddle was completely loose in the seat-post clamp. Someone had been about to steal it and had been thwarted for whatever reason. The next time I was at MEC I dropped a note in their suggestion box about cameras and they got back to me via email in a couple of days and said they would think about it. They put up cameras a month or two later, I guess enough people had had stuff stolen that they needed to do it. Sucks that cameras are necessary but yeah, there ya go.

I really like how all the hospitals have secure bike lock-ups for their employees, I wish every building did. Many do but many don't.


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