My friend saw that accident happen in person while she was riding on the bus.

Also, Keith, what size is that pink bike? brand, components etc?

so that's 4? son of a ......
This ******* HAD to squeeze me as opposed to the streetcar, his Avalon was new you see.
To make matters worse all he had to do was wait a few flippin' seconds for either me to accelerate past the streetcar or the other way round, 10 seconds tops.. I can't remember having a car that close at speed in a loooong time, scared the **** out of me. He made several tries at nosing his way through, total ****.

Time to get the police and the press involved. This is going waaaay beyond the 'God damned bikers' mindset that I'm so used to.
What are those window clicker thingies called?

its because people are IN A HURRY!

the Cops and the City will not do a F**king thing about it OH sureee they say a great deal when one of us gets killed but they do pee all about it that's a fact

Well they are looking for witnesess to the accident . did she see who was at fault ???

now if only a cyclist could accidently kill a motorist........

At this point I don't think it matters anymore, if it's our legal right to take the lane and drivers' don't know that.
Then the police and the city should be culpable for not making it clear.

She said she pretty much just saw people running over to the guy, blood trickling from his mouth and a huge pool of blood behind his head

contact( Email ) city hall and ask the Mayor about cracking down on the drivers in the city and see what they send you back you'll be surprised I know I was

I'm starting to be tempted to start rocking a full-face helmet like Traffic Jammer! Or at the very least one of the Pro-Tec style helmets with more coverage. Does anybody know if they actually provide more protection? Or is it more of a psychological thing because they just seem sturdier?

damn right.

Pro-tec skate helmets offer pretty good bang your head on the ground protection, I don;t know about off a bike though, I have seen riders in Pro-TEcs

I use a Pro-tec during the winter and it has full corverage in the back and the are Spec'ed out for riot control headware in the states

They are designed to stop you from whacking trees and branches into your face, but they also work (to a lesser extent) to stop you from whacking cars or road into your face.

Do tell.

It SHOULD take a glancing blow from a light pole or mailbox as well, as long as your getting your head turned. Better the lid than your face.

re protec: I wonder what affords the most protection in a car vs. cyclist collision though. I mean, cycling helmets are obviously designed to cushion an impact and totally deform (ie. crush). but, they have less coverage. This is opposed to a "hard" helmet which is designed to withstand multiple impacts and not deform, but has considerably more coverage. Do you know what I mean?

Personally, when I look at my helmet I wonder what help it would be in a collision with the car, unless the car hit me directly on top of the noggin. I guess it protects the "important parts"... but wouldn't you think they're designed more for a cyclist taking a spill by themselves vs. colliding with a car?

Ugh. I'm just getting paranoid now.

I think the skate (vert) helmet would give you more, and it's made for repetitive bongos.
I'm going to see if I can call in press contact.

SomeHOW, the bikers HAVE to take that damned lane. It's the only way I can see. The drivers, I can't blame 100%, if they think they are entitled I can see why they would be freaking. I know ignorance is no excuse, but they must be away.

ok type out a letter about why the city and the police are doing nothing to stop the bad drivers in the city that kill ped and cyclists and drivers that don't stop for stop signs or cross walks even lights make sure you include the above and mention that the drivers also go past street car doors when peeps are getting on/off and the fines for the drivers and drunk drivers are nothing but little slaps on the wrist. I did this and was surprised with responce , just copy /paste the addy'd below on one letter and wait.. mailto:mayor_miller@toronto.ca, councillor_ainslie@toronto.ca, councillor_altobello@toronto.ca, councillor_ashton@toronto.ca, councillor_augimeri@toronto.ca, sbussin@toronto.ca, councillor_carroll@toronto.ca, councillor_cho@toronto.ca, councillor_cowbourne@toronto.ca, councillor_davis@toronto.ca, councillor_debaeremaeker@toronto.ca, councillor_delgrande@toronto.ca, councillor_digiorgio@toronto.ca, councillor_feldman@toronto.ca, councillor_filion@toronto.ca, councillor_fletcher@toronto.ca, councillor_ford@toronto.ca, councillor_giambrone@toronto.ca, councillor_grimes@toronto.ca, councillor_hall@toronto.ca, councillor_holyday@toronto.ca, councillor_jenkins@toronto.ca, councillor_kelly@toronto.ca, councillor_lipreti@toronto.ca, councillor_lindsay_luby@toronto.ca, councillor_mammoliti@toronto.ca, councillor_mcconnell@toronto.ca, councillor_mihevc@toronto.ca, councillor_milczyn@toronto.ca, councillor_minnan-wong@toronto.ca, councillor_moscoe@toronto.ca, councillor_nunziata@toronto.ca, councillor_ootes@toronto.ca, councillor_palacio@toronto.ca, councillor_pantalone@toronto.ca, councillor_pitfield@toronto.ca, councillor_rae@toronto.ca, councillor_saundercook@toronto.ca, councillor_shiner@toronto.ca, councillor_silva@toronto.ca, councillor_soknacki@toronto.ca, councillor_stintz@toronto.ca, councillor_thompson@toronto.ca, councillor_walker@toronto.ca, councillor_watson@toronto.ca

dang ..... a medal for this man....
I 'm gonna script me a letter.

Deadly Encounter

A 42-year-old cyclist was killed Monday night, after he was hit while riding his bike at Cawthra and Atwater north of the Lakeshore in Mississauga by a car making a left hand turn.

The victim has been identified as Shin-Fang Ho. He suffered serious head trauma and was pronounced dead at the scene.

Police had the area closed for hours just after 9:30pm as they investigated the tragedy. A 17-year-old driver hasn't been charged but cops are appealing for witnesses.

Typical eh like I said if you want to kill some one in Canada use a car and you'll get away with it,, another point is if you just so much as lay a finger on a mountain bike cop you a*s is in jail

yeah, but like, uh, west side story tough. we'll fight you...in dance form.

i could do a night ride, shout if you're up for one. tonight's good. so's thursday.

in BIKE dance form! Push it to the limit!

no, you're right, they are to protect you against GREATER injury, not injury alltogether. a cyclist friend of mine was hit by a van last year on burnamthrope rd at speed. essentially, he got clipped by the van's side mirror and spun around, whacked his head on the side of the van then on the pavement. he ended up breaking his hip and with a concussion. the helmet was obviously destroyed but according to the doctors, he would have suffered permanent brain damage if it were not for the helmet, so yes it is not a catch all but in cases like that it does prevent further injury from contact with autos. and yes, cavernmech, he is a toronto fixed group tough guy like me (okay more than me).

Those full face/protec helmets offer more protection especially for the back of the head where the roadie styles don't cover.

They are also safer because they look dorkier, there aren't any aer0 snag points on the rear of the helmet (when you rotate head on the ground it doesn't catch). When I crashed last year, I experienced that first hand.

Of course it pays off more to just pay extra attention to all the hazards on the road. Edit: For greatest protection I think you'd need to wear one of those suits that one guy developed for fighting bears. Or be Robocop.

I think that's true for any cop.

^^^grandpa simpson ;)

You are correct there. But how much of the driving responsibility is to be offloaded to everyone else on the road to AVOID the cars? I would feel better if the drivers came to the realization that the road isn't theirs in it's entirety. Wait for the letter....soon come man..