Double and Triple – Pride vs Common Sense??
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Originally Posted by Corsaire
So, I’ve come to realize the double set-up in most cases is just a pride thing.
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Originally Posted by Avalanche325
I can't imagine that you have any brutal mountain climbs in Alabama. Unfortunately, they sold you the wrong equipment for your terrain.
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Living in hilly Austin, I didn't mind that my bike came with a triple. I've found that I've never actually need the granny ring though. I shifted to it a couple of times going up hills just to see if I needed it and I didn't; the 42x25 was plenty. I'm pretty athletic from other sports I guess.
I'm considering switching to a double once I graduate and move back to Houston. I don't even remember of any hills in Houston. I hope no one on this forum sees me riding around Houston then, thinking I have a pride problem or something. :noplease:
I'm considering switching to a double once I graduate and move back to Houston. I don't even remember of any hills in Houston. I hope no one on this forum sees me riding around Houston then, thinking I have a pride problem or something. :noplease:
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Originally Posted by Corsaire
Perhaps you can really ride a double and have "fresh" legs at the end of the ride, [B]who cares!
i geuss those guys who were worried about having fresh legs at the END of the ride are also the ones who didnt train hard enough to "deserve" a double. if your legs arent tired by the end of a ride where you dont have a sprint finish, you didt go hard enough, regardless of gearing.
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Originally Posted by Murrays
You don’t ride with very strong riders, do you? FWIW, my riding buddies do lots of 50+ mile rides over pretty good hills at over 18 mph averages and nobody rides a triple. We did the Wright Stuff Century (very hilly) last year with little problems. While I wouldn’t mind a lower gear now and then, I felt great at the end of 100 hilly miles.
You’re limited experience and exposure to riders doesn’t apply to all of us! I couldn’t care less if you think I “deserve a double”.
-murray
You’re limited experience and exposure to riders doesn’t apply to all of us! I couldn’t care less if you think I “deserve a double”.
-murray
I use the same bike on the occasions that I race, except that I set the limit screw to prevent accidentally shifting into the small chainring during a race.
Oh yeah, we don't have hilly rides... we have mountainous rides! ;-)
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It doesn't matter who makes it, triple cranksets are ugly!
But when I lived in Seattle sometimes I wished I hadn't switched mine for a sweet looking Sampson double.
But when I lived in Seattle sometimes I wished I hadn't switched mine for a sweet looking Sampson double.
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Originally Posted by Avalanche325
Truthfully, I think it is really funny that someone will rag on somebody for having the third small ring. But, the same person will run out and buy a compact with a smaller big ring. Then they continue to rag on triples because they are "riding a double".
Save your ragging for people in FUV's!
-murray
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Originally Posted by SteveE
I ride with a bunch of very strong riders and I'm the only one that rides a triple.
Depending on terrain and rider power, three rings might be necessary or they might not. What’s the big deal?!?
-murray
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Originally Posted by Murrays
Depending on terrain and rider power, three rings might be necessary or they might not. What’s the big deal?!?
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Speaking of common sense...one advantage of a triple is the middle ring, in my case a 42 is less of a compromise when riding on the flats and changing speed a lot. I love that gearing with 13-26 10 speed cassette on windy days. In 42-13 I can still hit 25 mph at an acceptable cadence without bailing to the big ring and if going up near the 26 cog or next to it staying on the middle ring without cross-chaining...plenty of grunt up mild inclines into the wind or for aggressive acceleration. If not a real strong cyclist, you can accomplish most of what you want with a double by simply choosing your chain ring sizes in accordance with your rear cassette ratios. A compact double is a good alternative for a recreational cyclist as well. The debate will never end...lol.
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[QUOTE=Murrays]FWIW, I don't have anything against triples. My problem is with people claiming that very few people "deserve" a double and it's a matter of "pride".
IT IS a matter of pride or you wouldn't be jolting as if poked with a needle.
Depending on terrain and rider power, three rings might be necessary or they might not. What’s the big deal?!?
Now, this makes more sense. That could very well you when hitting a 'hors category" climb after some serious miles behind you, so what's the big deal, right ?
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IT IS a matter of pride or you wouldn't be jolting as if poked with a needle.
Depending on terrain and rider power, three rings might be necessary or they might not. What’s the big deal?!?
Now, this makes more sense. That could very well you when hitting a 'hors category" climb after some serious miles behind you, so what's the big deal, right ?
Corsaire
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Originally Posted by Corsaire
IT IS a matter of pride or you wouldn't be jolting as if poked with a needle.
Originally Posted by Corsaire
Now, this makes more sense. That could very well you when hitting a 'hors category" climb after some serious miles behind you, so what's the big deal, right ?
OTOH, you wouldn’t pack a parka to go hiking in 70 degree weather, would you?!?
-murray
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Originally Posted by FarHorizon
Actually, if you live in the flatlands, as I do, there's no need for even a double! Triples are poorly-shifting, wretched excess for my part of the country. They are Heaven-sent for those who need them, though..
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[QUOTE=Murrays]I’m not jolted, just annoyed that I’m being judged by someone who’s never even seen me on a bike
If the glove fits......but if it doesn't fit we must acquit. LOL
Corsaire
If the glove fits......but if it doesn't fit we must acquit. LOL
Corsaire
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It's really flat around my neck of the woods - no seious hills. I had a triple on my hybrid and never used the small one. My road bike is a double because I really do not need the triple. Not because I'm so strong - there just aren't any hills that desrve it.
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Originally Posted by Avalanche325
Let's throw some more fuel on.
A compact double is for those girlymen that can't push the big gears. And they are SO girly that they want to look like they are riding a real double, because they can't even take the little bit of heat for riding a triple.
Truthfully, I think it is really funny that someone will rag on somebody for having the third small ring. But, the same person will run out and buy a compact with a smaller big ring. Then they continue to rag on triples because they are "riding a double".
Use whatever works for you and your terrain.
A compact double is for those girlymen that can't push the big gears. And they are SO girly that they want to look like they are riding a real double, because they can't even take the little bit of heat for riding a triple.
Truthfully, I think it is really funny that someone will rag on somebody for having the third small ring. But, the same person will run out and buy a compact with a smaller big ring. Then they continue to rag on triples because they are "riding a double".
Use whatever works for you and your terrain.
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I am 44 years old and back into road biking after many years. I had followed the forums for awhile before making my purchase and I decided on a triple. I plan on getting strong enough not to need one, if only for the better shifting, ehich I DID notice on some of my test rides.
In the area of NJ where I live, there are quite a few nasty hills and I know I am not ready to tackle them with a double...HELL I may not be able to on a triple. As it is I havent been in the granny ring yet, and I have only been in the big ring a half dozen times, and even then not for long.
Bri
In the area of NJ where I live, there are quite a few nasty hills and I know I am not ready to tackle them with a double...HELL I may not be able to on a triple. As it is I havent been in the granny ring yet, and I have only been in the big ring a half dozen times, and even then not for long.
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Originally Posted by Avalanche325
Let's throw some more fuel on.
A compact double is for those girlymen that can't push the big gears. And they are SO girly that they want to look like they are riding a real double, because they can't even take the little bit of heat for riding a triple.
Truthfully, I think it is really funny that someone will rag on somebody for having the third small ring. But, the same person will run out and buy a compact with a smaller big ring. Then they continue to rag on triples because they are "riding a double".
Use whatever works for you and your terrain.
A compact double is for those girlymen that can't push the big gears. And they are SO girly that they want to look like they are riding a real double, because they can't even take the little bit of heat for riding a triple.
Truthfully, I think it is really funny that someone will rag on somebody for having the third small ring. But, the same person will run out and buy a compact with a smaller big ring. Then they continue to rag on triples because they are "riding a double".
Use whatever works for you and your terrain.
The compact has nothing to do with being more "macho" . If I needed a wider range of gears I'd rather do it with 1 chainring shift than 2. Mechanical simplicity is nice.
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Originally Posted by SteveE
--- snip ---
Oh yeah, we don't have hilly rides... we have mountainous rides! ;-)
Oh yeah, we don't have hilly rides... we have mountainous rides! ;-)
You aint kidding....
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I was riding a double last year with best hill combo being 42/22. That's the kind of ratio I used when I raced and was 20 years old. At that time I thought the ratio was a good one for racing and I climbed most major climbs in the 42 and 19 or 20: 21 or 22 if it was a very steep grade with no opportunity to start rolling fast at the base (like out of a sharp tun and then starting up a steep 10% grade). So for racing or strong club riders a double is perfectly acceptable.
But I am now 40 years old and I quickly found out last year that a double combo like that was no longer appropriate for me. I changed to a triple and am very happy now.
I think a double or triple works for you if you match it to your needs and strengths.
But I am now 40 years old and I quickly found out last year that a double combo like that was no longer appropriate for me. I changed to a triple and am very happy now.
I think a double or triple works for you if you match it to your needs and strengths.
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Yah, Meenasoota, hills, yah. I speet on your Meenasoota hills - p-thootie!
On a lighter note, last time I was in CA, I drove over the "hill" from Cupertino to the coast. Yikes! Passed a couple of bikers riding up, but THE most unusual thing I witnessed was a high wheeler, coming downhill, with his feet crossed on the back side of the wheel, using the top side of his shoes as a brake! Double Yikes!
Personally, I view my brakes as speed modulation devices, and I view my shoes, as, well, shoes.
Triple, indeed. And another thing about releases... (nevermind...).
On a lighter note, last time I was in CA, I drove over the "hill" from Cupertino to the coast. Yikes! Passed a couple of bikers riding up, but THE most unusual thing I witnessed was a high wheeler, coming downhill, with his feet crossed on the back side of the wheel, using the top side of his shoes as a brake! Double Yikes!
Personally, I view my brakes as speed modulation devices, and I view my shoes, as, well, shoes.
Triple, indeed. And another thing about releases... (nevermind...).
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Originally Posted by Murrays
FWIW, I don't have anything against triples. My problem is with people claiming that very few people "deserve" a double and it's a matter of "pride".
Depending on terrain and rider power, three rings might be necessary or they might not. What’s the big deal?!?
-murray
Depending on terrain and rider power, three rings might be necessary or they might not. What’s the big deal?!?
-murray
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I usually don't try to fine tune my gear selection but go till I need to shift, but I do like being able to go low if only for part of the hill for a rest. No I don't race.
Maybe I'm completely out of it, but at any given time, I couldn't tell you what gear (#) I am in, but I could tell you that as I am approaching a hill or stop, I have X number of changes (up or down) to make prior to being where I want to be so that my speed/cadence remains consistent.
By the way, my Felt has a double chainring; I bought it because it was the best bike available for the best price and I liked it... and I think I will stick with it -- despite being more of a casual, fitness, light touring profile. I manage to get up and down with the available gearing options... then there is always get off the bike and walk if I run out of gears. *shrugs*
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Let me Troll for a second…..but for all of you guys who “out grow” of your triple….and never use you the granny….
Get a f-n small cog set….if you can out grow an 11-21…that is impressive….it is cheaper than going with a double.
Ok I’m done as a Troll….and will go back to my normal self…..
Get a f-n small cog set….if you can out grow an 11-21…that is impressive….it is cheaper than going with a double.
Ok I’m done as a Troll….and will go back to my normal self…..