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Old 07-30-15 | 09:22 AM
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Looks interesting. I wonder how easy they are to reattach when you're on the bike
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Old 07-30-15 | 09:33 AM
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Looks interesting to me. I'm sure it would take a bit of a learning curve, but it will become easy to reattach. Look forward to some reviews before I would commit though.

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Fabric Waterbottle

Looks interesting. I wonder how easy they are to reattach when you're on the bike
Cute, but then they gotcha. Every bottle you will ever need will have to come from them. I suspect the bottles aren't a couple of bucks like at Performance.

Hard to believe they won't sway. Could the wire attachment to the plastic really be that stiff?
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Cute, but then they gotcha. Every bottle you will ever need will have to come from them. I suspect the bottles aren't a couple of bucks like at Performance.

Hard to believe they won't sway. Could the wire attachment to the plastic really be that stiff?
Probably $18 a bottle.
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Old 07-30-15 | 09:41 AM
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I would not do that. Would never be able to use any of your old water bottles again. I also like the cage mounts that can fit my steel growler so I can drink my beer. It comes with a dial on it too so you can fit different size. I forget the brand but it's super nice and holds 40oz of beer very well.

Or just get one of these:

Growler Cage | Growler Magazine
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Old 07-30-15 | 09:42 AM
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Cute, but then they gotcha. Every bottle you will ever need will have to come from them. I suspect the bottles aren't a couple of bucks like at Performance.

Hard to believe they won't sway. Could the wire attachment to the plastic really be that stiff?
If it caught on, I'm sure other manufacturers would either make a very similar system (doesnt look difficult to mimic) or just start building a very similar, yet compatible, attachment system into their own bottles.
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This is like clipless pedals for your water bottle. The best thing for the market would be to have standard mounts that anyone can make water bottles for.
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Old 07-30-15 | 09:45 AM
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Knowing bike companies. There would be no standard mounts.
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Will they come in CF?
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Old 07-30-15 | 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Csdhlhcky
If it caught on, I'm sure other manufacturers would either make a very similar system (doesnt look difficult to mimic) or just start building a very similar, yet compatible, attachment system into their own bottles.
Can you say "patent"?
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Old 07-30-15 | 09:56 AM
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Looks like a U-turn at every railroad crossing to go back and pick up your expensive bottles.
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Now you just put the bottle in without indexing it. With this system, the bottle would have to be turned just right.
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Old 07-30-15 | 09:59 AM
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Now you just put the bottle in without indexing it. With this system, the bottle would have to be turned just right.
Very good point. I think these bottles would be better suited for a leisurely ride, or on a commuter bike of some sort. Definitely not suitable for a racing bike for that exact reason.
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I can grab a bottle out of my cage at speed, take a drink, spin it around in my hand if I so please (I don't, but I could) and slam it home with barely a glance down and no need to check the orientation of the bottle. And I can do this with any standard bike bottle. It's hard for me to understand what's so compelling about this no-cage bottle system. Basically what's the problem with a bottle cage?
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Old 07-30-15 | 10:10 AM
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I can grab a bottle out of my cage at speed, take a drink, spin it around in my hand if I so please (I don't, but I could) and slam it home with barely a glance down and no need to check the orientation of the bottle. And I can do this with any standard bike bottle. It's hard for me to understand what's so compelling about this no-cage bottle system. Basically what's the problem with a bottle cage?
As we both know, in the cycling industry, there is no such thing as "if it's not broken, don't fix it"
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Old 07-30-15 | 10:25 AM
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As we both know, in the cycling industry, there is no such thing as "if it's not broken, don't fix it"
Eh, I don't mind if someone wants to take on the challenge of building a better bottle cage. People should try to fix things that aren't broken, that's how innovation happens. I'm not sure this particular product was a wise use of resources though. I can think of a few different reasons that something like this could be appealing, but the proprietary bottle and functional limitations make it seem like a tough sell in spit of that.
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no need to check the orientation of the bottle. And I can do this with any standard bike bottle. It's hard for me to understand what's so compelling about this no-cage bottle system. Basically what's the problem with a bottle cage?
That's what I was thinking. The clips are on 1 part of the bottle and that must be aligned just perfect for it to slide into place. Will it work? Yes is it an "improvement" not really if you eat it trying to put your bottle back in and damage your $5k bike in the process.
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The original link was blocked here at the office so I used google-fu and came up with this review of it: Fabric Cageless Water Bottle - First Look - Pinkbike

Seems and interesting concept, but not something I'll invest in.
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Probably $18 a bottle.
At that price it had better come filled with scotch.
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This is far from the first time that someone has created a cageless water bottle. Rhode Gear had one that I really liked because they made a plastic clamp on version that didn't scratch the paint on my Raleigh Professional that had no water bottle bosses. They also made a version of the holder that fit standard water bottle bosses. Held the bottle securely and was super easy to put the bottle into the holder. Cannondale also had a cageless holder that used velcro to hold the bottle in place. Again, simple to get the bottle in and out of the holder
https://velobase.com/ViewComponent.as...91b98&Enum=103
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^^ Correct.

A couple years ago one of my club-members had one that was cage-less that had some type of magnetic mount.

A solution in search of a problem IMO.
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It looks ready for Shark Tank.
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^^ Correct.

A couple years ago one of my club-members had one that was cage-less that had some type of magnetic mount.

A solution in search of a problem IMO.
Actually the Rhode Gear system was the solution to the problem I had not having water bottle bosses. It was on the bike for many years and never once scratched the paint
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Old 07-30-15 | 02:22 PM
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Looks like a U-turn at every railroad crossing to go back and pick up your expensive bottles.
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What he said.
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If not the u-turn thing, does it have replaceable inserts? Plastic wears too.
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