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Old 01-10-16 | 06:16 AM
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.....or like middle aged men riding 14mph centuries on aero bikes and wheels.
If they didn't have those aero bikes and wheels they might have been riding 12 mph centuries
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Old 01-10-16 | 06:26 AM
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So how do I figure out if the Enve can reproduce the Evo geometry?
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So how do I figure out if the Enve can reproduce the Evo geometry?
Length and rake (offset in mm) have to match the OEM fork.
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Old 01-10-16 | 09:01 AM
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So how do I figure out if the Enve can reproduce the Evo geometry?
Get one with 45mm of rake(like your fork has).
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Old 01-10-16 | 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by noodle soup
Get one with 45mm of rake(like your fork has).
Not to go OT, but what happens if fork doesn't have the same rake.. eg. if you used 43mm instead of the 45mm it originally had?
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Old 01-10-16 | 09:52 AM
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Not to go OT, but what happens if fork doesn't have the same rake.. eg. if you used 43mm instead of the 45mm it originally had?
Usually it doesn't make a whole lot of difference. The difference in trail is inconsequential. But having said that, why not try to keep things as originally spec'ed?
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Old 01-10-16 | 10:00 AM
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I've owned carbon forks on a few different bikes now (Specialized, Easton, Lynskey, etc.) and have ridden countless others (Trek, Giant, Felt, etc.) and I couldn't really tell a difference in the various carbon forks. They all felt essentially the same to me.

I recently got an Enve 2.0 and it feels "better" to me than the others did. It still has plenty of stiffness in handling, but just a lot smoother feeling on the road than the others I've ridden. Less road chatter as well. I'm happy I went with Enve and will likely do so again in the future if I need another one.
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Old 01-10-16 | 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Sy Reene
Not to go OT, but what happens if fork doesn't have the same rake.. eg. if you used 43mm instead of the 45mm it originally had?
That's what he said....

'slightly more resistant to direction change with the 43mm rake fork. best used with some of the larger sizes, as they tend to have somewhat steeper head tube angles.
in the end, it's a bit subtle."

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Old 01-10-16 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker
Usually it doesn't make a whole lot of difference. The difference in trail is inconsequential. But having said that, why not try to keep things as originally spec'ed?
Self-serving question in that given my ca. 2003 Ouzo Pro fork (carbon) is undoubtedly about at the timeframe where I can expect it to asplode, and may need replacing, I'm not clear how assured it would be to have the LBS determine the precise actual rake of the existing fork when looking for a replacement. So wondering if they potentially get this wrong by a small margin, what the downsides are? FYI, I can't find original spec anywhere on the fork or in old literature on the web of how my stock bike's fork rake was speccced.

On the other hand, wondering also if intentionally add a little more rake to the setup what the effect is to handling? I experience some toe overlap with my size 14s, that I realize 2mm or thereabouts won't completely solve -- but figured it can't hurt to ask.
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Old 01-10-16 | 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Jarrett2
I've owned carbon forks on a few different bikes now (Specialized, Easton, Lynskey, etc.) and have ridden countless others (Trek, Giant, Felt, etc.) and I couldn't really tell a difference in the various carbon forks. They all felt essentially the same to me.

I recently got an Enve 2.0 and it feels "better" to me than the others did. It still has plenty of stiffness in handling, but just a lot smoother feeling on the road than the others I've ridden. Less road chatter as well. I'm happy I went with Enve and will likely do so again in the future if I need another one.
If you don't mind me asking, what frame is the Enve on now?
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Old 01-10-16 | 12:29 PM
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.....or like middle aged men riding 14mph centuries on aero bikes and wheels.
ahhh......MAMILs. A term I learned on one of the post recently. lolz
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Old 01-11-16 | 06:01 PM
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Turns out the local dealer had an Evo fork that they just gave me!
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Words can't describe how gorgeous that is. Well friggin' done.
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Words can't describe how gorgeous that is. Well friggin' done.
Thanks. The builder has a great aesthetic. He's twice won best MTB at the North American Hand Built Bicycle Show. The wheels with the red hubs were swapped from another bike, so the aesthetic had to be designed around that. The finish is a custom blended Cerakote, which is a ceramic coating. The primary consumer application is the coating of firearms, more and more people are starting to use it on bikes. It's stronger, lighter and cheaper than paint. You spray on one coat and bake it in the oven. Enve has approved the process and thus the treatment does not void the warranty. I was thinking a little more pistachio in nature, but this sea foam green turned out well. Mixing and application of the Cerakote was done by paintbytodd.com. You cannot see it, but on the left chainstay there is a small LOVE Statue decal.
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Originally Posted by datlas
BTW is it pronounced EN-vay, en-VAY, or like the green word "envy?" I generally figured it's en-VAY but does anyone know for sure?
Drew at Wissahickon pronounces it "envy," as in "Your fork is the envy off all Freds."
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Drew at Wissahickon pronounces it "envy," as in "Your fork is the envy off all Freds."
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Originally Posted by datlas
BTW is it pronounced EN-vay, en-VAY, or like the green word "envy?" I generally figured it's en-VAY but does anyone know for sure?
It is pronounced like 2 letters "N-V".

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Old 01-12-16 | 07:10 PM
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Turns out the local dealer had an Evo fork that they just gave me!
That's terrific. Which shop?
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That's terrific. Which shop?
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Drew at Wissahickon pronounces it "envy," as in "Your fork is the envy off all Freds."
I have bike envy. Nice looking ride.
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