Campy Veloce is comparable to which Shimano gruppo?
05-07-05, 09:16 AM
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The Lemond Sarthe has a full Campy Veloce components for $1500.00 Which Shimano is this comparible to and which is the better shifter/derailleur combo?
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Originally Posted by Sincitycycler
The Lemond Lemond Sarthe has a full Campy Veloce components for $1500.00 Which Shimano is this comparible to and which is the better shifter/derailleur combo?
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One would say veloce=105, but I would tend to disagree.
The new Centaur and Veloce 10s systems are more like the Ultegra 10s in quality, function and weight.
I would have to say the black Mirage group is sort of a direct equal to the 105 group.
When it comes to comparing, many list it as the following...
Record- there is no equal.
Chorus = Dura Ace
Centaur = Ultegra (sort of), but Centaur is much better for its many options.
Veloce = Ultegra.
Mirage = 105.
Xenon = Sora/Tiagra.
Please remember, this my $0.02 worth, and not written in stone. Everyone has their personal preferance.
The new Centaur and Veloce 10s systems are more like the Ultegra 10s in quality, function and weight.
I would have to say the black Mirage group is sort of a direct equal to the 105 group.
When it comes to comparing, many list it as the following...
Record- there is no equal.
Chorus = Dura Ace
Centaur = Ultegra (sort of), but Centaur is much better for its many options.
Veloce = Ultegra.
Mirage = 105.
Xenon = Sora/Tiagra.
Please remember, this my $0.02 worth, and not written in stone. Everyone has their personal preferance.
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This is an apples to oranges comparison, but I'd say 105.
Of course we are comparing a 10s system (Veloce) to a 9s system (105)
Centaur gets nicer components that are lighter with better bushings in the rear derailleur etc, although the shift levers are still just veloce units with a little hole drilled out of the paddle.
Of course we are comparing a 10s system (Veloce) to a 9s system (105)
Centaur gets nicer components that are lighter with better bushings in the rear derailleur etc, although the shift levers are still just veloce units with a little hole drilled out of the paddle.
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Well the main reason I got the Sarthe over the Croix de Fer is that the rear-derailleur shifting felt better. The only other reason is that I prefer the thumb button to brifters.
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Veloce is just a little tiny bit better than Dura Ace. 
(Ok, I'm just kidding, bit i DO love my Veloce 10 speed!)
(Ok, I'm just kidding, bit i DO love my Veloce 10 speed!)
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Campy "IS" gooder!
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just did 35 miles...a combination of steep short climbs...low grade long climbs and high speed riding on the flats and long 30+ mph descents back down the low grade climbs on my new Bianchi Veloce 10 speed and the bike is so good and the gruppo so fine I am still buzzing after that ride...what a great day. I don't know how it can get much better other than weight...the shifting is so superb. If you are considering Veloce....get it. There isn't a member of this board with an ounce of regret that has it.
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Originally Posted by biker7
just did 35 miles...a combination of steep short climbs...low grade long climbs and high speed riding on the flats and long 30+ mph descents back down the low grade climbs on my new Bianchi Veloce 10 speed and the bike is so good and the gruppo so fine I am still buzzing after that ride......
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Originally Posted by sydney
Now if you had done the same ride on a identical 105 bike.... maybe you would have the same buzzzz?? FWIW, too much Budweiser will do that to ya too.
05-07-05, 07:09 PM
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I've got 105 on one bike, ultegra on another and veloce on another. Veloce does not equal the 105. I can feel a big difference.
I suppose it's a matter of preference. I just prefer veloce to my ultegra.
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I suppose it's a matter of preference. I just prefer veloce to my ultegra.
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I'm going with Centaur on mine with Chorus levers... I can't wait to see how it feels.
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Originally Posted by koffee brown
Ultegra. But I still prefer my veloce over ultegra.
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it's comparable to Ultegra, but she still prefers it... it's like preferring Burger King to McDonald's, that's all. After all even Shimano & Campy's "equivalent" groups are still quite different from one another.
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I was going to get the veloce shifter but it didnt feel as good as the ultegra under my hand. I couldn't tell the difference when it came down to shifting.
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it's comparable to Ultegra, but she still prefers it... it's like preferring Burger King to McDonald's, that's all. After all even Shimano & Campy's "equivalent" groups are still quite different from one another.
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I've heard the Campy hoods are much more comfortable for female hands... dunno how true that is. I personally like the way campy hoods feel better than the shimano ones. I also really dig the idea of the thumb shifter, especially coming from an MTB. I swear, everytime I come in here it just makes me want to get my project done that much quicker. I wish money grew on trees.
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Originally Posted by sydney
Well,I think it's more in line with 105. But since no white paper exist on the subject..................
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05-08-05, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by koffee brown
I suppose it's a matter of preference. I just prefer veloce to my ultegra.
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Ok then If record is better than DA but chorus is equal to DA and chorus is effective just a slightly heavier record than how can record be "so much better" than DA?
I do not like campy... because of the push button... feels to much like sora!
I do not like campy... because of the push button... feels to much like sora!
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Ok then If record is better than DA but chorus is equal to DA and chorus is effective just a slightly heavier record than how can record be "so much better" than DA?
I do not like campy... because of the push button... feels to much like sora!
I do not like campy... because of the push button... feels to much like sora!