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Campy Veloce is comparable to which Shimano gruppo?

Old 05-07-05, 09:16 AM
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The Lemond Sarthe has a full Campy Veloce components for $1500.00 Which Shimano is this comparible to and which is the better shifter/derailleur combo?
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Ultegra. But I still prefer my veloce over ultegra.

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Originally Posted by Sincitycycler
The Lemond Lemond Sarthe has a full Campy Veloce components for $1500.00 Which Shimano is this comparible to and which is the better shifter/derailleur combo?
Well,I think it's more in line with 105. But since no white paper exist on the subject..................
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One would say veloce=105, but I would tend to disagree.

The new Centaur and Veloce 10s systems are more like the Ultegra 10s in quality, function and weight.

I would have to say the black Mirage group is sort of a direct equal to the 105 group.

When it comes to comparing, many list it as the following...

Record- there is no equal.

Chorus = Dura Ace

Centaur = Ultegra (sort of), but Centaur is much better for its many options.

Veloce = Ultegra.

Mirage = 105.

Xenon = Sora/Tiagra.

Please remember, this my $0.02 worth, and not written in stone. Everyone has their personal preferance.
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This is an apples to oranges comparison, but I'd say 105.

Of course we are comparing a 10s system (Veloce) to a 9s system (105)

Centaur gets nicer components that are lighter with better bushings in the rear derailleur etc, although the shift levers are still just veloce units with a little hole drilled out of the paddle.

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Well the main reason I got the Sarthe over the Croix de Fer is that the rear-derailleur shifting felt better. The only other reason is that I prefer the thumb button to brifters.
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Veloce is just a little tiny bit better than Dura Ace.

(Ok, I'm just kidding, bit i DO love my Veloce 10 speed!)
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Campy "IS" gooder!

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Nothing compares to Campy
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just did 35 miles...a combination of steep short climbs...low grade long climbs and high speed riding on the flats and long 30+ mph descents back down the low grade climbs on my new Bianchi Veloce 10 speed and the bike is so good and the gruppo so fine I am still buzzing after that ride...what a great day. I don't know how it can get much better other than weight...the shifting is so superb. If you are considering Veloce....get it. There isn't a member of this board with an ounce of regret that has it.
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Originally Posted by biker7
just did 35 miles...a combination of steep short climbs...low grade long climbs and high speed riding on the flats and long 30+ mph descents back down the low grade climbs on my new Bianchi Veloce 10 speed and the bike is so good and the gruppo so fine I am still buzzing after that ride......
Now if you had done the same ride on a identical 105 bike.... maybe you would have the same buzzzz?? FWIW, too much Budweiser will do that to ya too.
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Originally Posted by sydney
Now if you had done the same ride on a identical 105 bike.... maybe you would have the same buzzzz?? FWIW, too much Budweiser will do that to ya too.
He'd have one less gear in the back, so proportionally less buzz of course.
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exxxxxactly...
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I've got 105 on one bike, ultegra on another and veloce on another. Veloce does not equal the 105. I can feel a big difference.

I suppose it's a matter of preference. I just prefer veloce to my ultegra.

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I'm going with Centaur on mine with Chorus levers... I can't wait to see how it feels.
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Originally Posted by koffee brown
Ultegra. But I still prefer my veloce over ultegra.

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???/ That statement seems contradictory. I don't get it?
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it's comparable to Ultegra, but she still prefers it... it's like preferring Burger King to McDonald's, that's all. After all even Shimano & Campy's "equivalent" groups are still quite different from one another.
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I was going to get the veloce shifter but it didnt feel as good as the ultegra under my hand. I couldn't tell the difference when it came down to shifting.
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Originally Posted by cryogenic
it's comparable to Ultegra, but she still prefers it... it's like preferring Burger King to McDonald's, that's all. After all even Shimano & Campy's "equivalent" groups are still quite different from one another.
Bingo. Thanks!

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I've heard the Campy hoods are much more comfortable for female hands... dunno how true that is. I personally like the way campy hoods feel better than the shimano ones. I also really dig the idea of the thumb shifter, especially coming from an MTB. I swear, everytime I come in here it just makes me want to get my project done that much quicker. I wish money grew on trees.
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Originally Posted by sydney
Well,I think it's more in line with 105. But since no white paper exist on the subject..................
Well... If you did think that - you would be wrong.

Ultegra
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Veloce = Dura Ace.
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Originally Posted by koffee brown

I suppose it's a matter of preference. I just prefer veloce to my ultegra.

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Is that 9 speed Ultegra or 10 Koffee?
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Ok then If record is better than DA but chorus is equal to DA and chorus is effective just a slightly heavier record than how can record be "so much better" than DA?

I do not like campy... because of the push button... feels to much like sora!
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Ok then If record is better than DA but chorus is equal to DA and chorus is effective just a slightly heavier record than how can record be "so much better" than DA?

I do not like campy... because of the push button... feels to much like sora!
Because on Record, that silly Sora push button lets you shift to any cog on your cassette with just one motion.
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