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53-11_alltheway 05-07-05 12:24 PM

Wheelset Evaluations (other variables to consider)
 
Most of the time when I read wheelset comparsions the term "acceleration" comes up quite often.

One thing I have learned while researching hubs is that drag within the bearings is vastly different across the board. In fact, one wheelbuilder mentioned that the difference between the overbuilt Chris King hubset and the smaller American Classic front hub was quite noticeable. In fact, he said that if you were coasting down a hill with others and you had Chris Kings you would get left behind (due to bearing drag: differences in bearing surface area/tolerances)

In contrast, the smaller and no doubt more flexible American Classic hub almost wants to spin forever on the stand.


My point is that research in the hub quality of a wheelset is just as important as weight.

KrisPistofferson 05-07-05 01:23 PM

You just wanna argue with someone. :p

cryogenic 05-07-05 01:40 PM


Originally Posted by krispistoferson
You just wanna argue with someone. :p

doesn't he always? :p

2manybikes 05-07-05 01:44 PM


Originally Posted by 53-11_alltheway
Most of the time when I read wheelset comparsions the term "acceleration" comes up quite often.

One thing I have learned while researching hubs is that drag within the bearings is vastly different across the board. In fact, one wheelbuilder mentioned that the difference between the overbuilt Chris King hubset and the smaller American Classic front hub was quite noticeable. In fact, he said that if you were coasting down a hill with others and you had Chris Kings you would get left behind (due to bearing drag: differences in bearing surface area/tolerances)

In contrast, the smaller and no doubt more flexible American Classic hub almost wants to spin forever on the stand.


My point is that research in the hub quality of a wheelset is just as important as weight.

You're right, but how does one do a fair comparison? I don't think there is much to go by except what people say about them.

NJWheelBuilder 05-08-05 04:11 PM

I agree with your point. I think, in general, we put way too much emphasis on the weight of various components instead of the engineering and quality of a component. Light does not always mean better. In addition, reviews are very subjective. What a reviewer finds to be great about a wheelset might really bother me. Other than actually trying a component at the LBS, I'm not sure there is a real good way of comparing products.
On a side note, I own a set of the American Classic hubs. They are wonderful pieces of engineering. It is true that they spin really nice. You can coast forever on these things. In addition, they are a no-brainer to disassemble and maintain.

The_Convert 05-08-05 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by 53-11_alltheway

My point is that research in the hub quality of a wheelset is just as important as weight.

I had thought of that before regarding kings hubs, however I wouldn't say they are low quality. :eek:

late 05-08-05 05:14 PM

Vastly different? Prove it.

Drayko 05-08-05 05:42 PM

So would a ceramic bearing upgrade be worth it?

baxtefer 05-08-05 05:46 PM


Originally Posted by 53-11_alltheway
One thing I have learned while researching hubs is that drag within the bearings is vastly different across the board. In fact, one wheelbuilder mentioned that the difference between the overbuilt Chris King hubset and the smaller American Classic front hub was quite noticeable. In fact, he said that if you were coasting down a hill with others and you had Chris Kings you would get left behind (due to bearing drag: differences in bearing surface area/tolerances)

i call shena****ns.
bearing drag <<< aero drag. if you're getting dropped on downhill coasting, its because you're fat.

53-11_alltheway 05-08-05 05:57 PM


Originally Posted by baxtefer
i call shena****ns.
bearing drag <<< aero drag. if you're getting dropped on downhill coasting, its because you're fat.

THat's just what he told me, don't shoot the messanger.

As far as aero drag goes I guess it depends how fast you are going. If there was any bearing "drag" effect it would only be noticeable at very slow speeds where air-resistance is not great.



Originally Posted by The_Convert
I had thought of that before regarding kings hubs, however I wouldn't say they are low quality. :eek:

THe Chris King hubs are super high quality. I guess the bearing surface is so large combined with tight tolerances- apparently this is what increases the drag.

Large bearing surface are combined with tight tolerances would be great for doing jumps on a mtn bike though.


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