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Old 04-29-16 | 08:24 AM
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Dude. I have thousands of miles wearing a mesh summer baselayer in hot humid weather. Low humidity I wouldn't need it because I don't sweat bad. I'm speaking from actual experience. It does not trap air pockets, man. It doesn't get soaked and glued to your body. It doesn't insulate. It does none of that. If it did those things I obviously would not continue wearing it. It wicks the moisture off your skin. That's a fact, not an uneducated opinion or a theory I came up with from something I learned in a classroom at college. If they did not work they would not exist.
Okay, my friend, but I am not alone here. If you search the internet on this topic, you will see a very even split between our two positions. Here is one example of entries from another forum: Does a Base layer shirt really work in hot tropical weather? - BikeRadar Forum

Unfortunately I can't find any experimental studies, but as you would expect, there are a lot of these kinds of forum posts.

As long as you and I are both happy with what we are doing, that is all that matters.
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Old 04-29-16 | 08:25 AM
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But if the increased area is inside the jersey and not exposed to the airflow, how does it function? If the moisture still has to be transferred to the outside of the jersey to evaporate, how does base layer surface area make any difference? And if the jersey is good enough at wicking sweat from the base layer to the outside, why isn't it good enough at wicking it from the skin?
I think those are fair questions.


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As for summer base layers being too lightweight to insulate, it is the air pockets, not the weight of the fabric that provide the most effective insulation. You see that with "thermal" blankets all the time. They are very lightweight and are made to be used alone on warm nights and under another layer on colder nights. The air pockets trap air between the sheet and the top layer to provide the insulation. It sure looks like mesh base layers would work exactly the same way. I'm not saying that is what is actually happening with them, but it seems natural to apply a standard way of looking at things to this discussion.
Mesh layers wouldn't trap air, what with there being holes all over them. Also, they're probably supposed to be worn really tight.
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Old 04-29-16 | 08:31 AM
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Now here is another question as a follow up to the recommendations for mesh base layers. I see in the picture posted a short sleeve mesh base layer. A lot of my sweat shows up on my arms and legs. If the base layer acted to help more efficiently evaporate the sweat off your skin by wicking it out to a high surface area on the outside of the layer AND not heat you up by insulation, why not wear a long sleeve one under a short sleeve jersey? Wouldn't that be even better than the short sleeve base layer? Similarly wouldn't folks wear a full leg length mesh base layer on the bottom too? Wouldn't more of it be better? The improvement in cooling could be substantial...if it is real.
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Old 04-29-16 | 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker
Now here is another question as a follow up to the recommendations for mesh base layers. I see in the picture posted a short sleeve mesh base layer. A lot of my sweat shows up on my arms and legs. If the base layer acted to help more efficiently evaporate the sweat off your skin by wicking it out to a high surface area on the outside of the layer AND not heat you up by insulation, why not wear a long sleeve one under a short sleeve jersey? Wouldn't that be even better than the short sleeve base layer? Similarly wouldn't folks wear a full leg length mesh base layer on the bottom too? Wouldn't more of it be better? The improvement in cooling could be substantial...if it is real.
Keeping core temps down is more important than the extremities. The head is a great source of evaparative cooling as well and that's why I wear a Sweat Vac or Head Sweat skull cap.

All the same, there is such a thing as arm and leg coolers.
I'm not saying that arm and leg coolers work or that they are worth it but simply pointing out that what you describe exists.
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Old 04-29-16 | 09:39 AM
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Keeping core temps down is more important than the extremities. The head is a great source of evaparative cooling as well and that's why I wear a Sweat Vac or Head Sweat skull cap.

All the same, there is such a thing as arm and leg coolers. I'm not saying that arm and leg coolers work or that they are worth it but simply pointing out that what you describe exists.
Well there you go.
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Old 04-29-16 | 09:55 AM
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Okay, my friend, but I am not alone here. If you search the internet on this topic, you will see a very even split between our two positions. Here is one example of entries from another forum: Does a Base layer shirt really work in hot tropical weather? - BikeRadar Forum
I don't care what people on the internet say. I don't need to search for google links. There's no way to tell who stretched the truth about their experiences. I physically wear a summer baselayer, I know what it does and Eddy Merckx couldn't tell me otherwise.
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Old 04-29-16 | 10:04 AM
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Is Eddy Merckx a heat transfer specialist?
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Old 04-29-16 | 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Lazyass
I don't care what people on the internet say.
Taken on its own, this is really funny.
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Old 04-29-16 | 04:22 PM
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Taken on its own, this is really funny.
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Old 04-29-16 | 04:27 PM
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I tried a UA long sleeve summer baselayer on a pass climb on a hot day. Halfway up the climb, I realized I was getting badly dehydrated even though I was drinking steadily from a Camelbak. I peeled the thing off: it was so wet I almost could wring it out. I drank a good bit while stopped and continued in my unzipped SS jersey with no further problem. Not recommended.

OTOH, I wear sun sleeves on sunny days, mostly to prevent skin damage which they do very well. They are a little warmer than without but the area they cover is small enough not to be a major contributor to overheating or dehydration. I also wear a light poly beanie to prevent sun damage because I'm bald. Again, the area is so small that it doesn't seem to be a negative thing. I don't wear a sun garment on my legs: too much area and sun screen seems to do the job fine there.

I've done long pass climbs in 100+ temps with unzipped SS jersey and sun sleeves just fine.

And, except for shorts, don't wear anything black.
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Old 04-29-16 | 04:29 PM
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When hot and sunny and riding...
Tops are better than topless.
Base layers are better than no base layer.
And sometimes - long sleeves may be better than sun on arms.

I like white compression long sleeves for summer.
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