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Why are the big rings put on the outside?

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Old 05-14-05 | 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Patriot
How the heck would you steer?

hmmm...... Sounds like a good engineering problem to solve.

I just hope weight is not a factor.
I think it could be solved by somehow making a 3rd point to the left with a pivot that somehow connects to the chain and then with another chain going to the cog on the wheel....the distance between the pivot point and the wheel wouldn't change, only the angle...or just about anyway.

Bah, if it was full carbon you OCP guys would jump all over a 2 wheel drive bike
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Old 05-14-05 | 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Patriot
How the heck would you steer?

hmmm...... Sounds like a good engineering problem to solve.

I just hope weight is not a factor.
Same as you would with a 2x2 motorcycle.

https://www.ol-d.com/rokon/
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Old 05-16-05 | 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by TrekDen
Dang it! I thought maybe you were going for the win I think about stuff like that sometimes when I'm out walking the river trails. I've wondered why cranks and cassettes are all on the same side of every bike. Then I thought, the cost of manufacturing the front, and rear derailleur to operate in the opposite direction would not be very practical. I'm sure there are other mechanical and gravitational issues in there as well.
Do us all a favour and stop thinking.........please.
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Old 05-16-05 | 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by PenguinDeD
Ohhh man....now i thought of another one.

How come nobody has made a bike where the drivetrain goes to both wheels?!

Kinda like what patriot was saying (Thanks for the idea ), put dual double rings on the bike, one on each side, and have dual cassettes, one for the front wheel and one for the rear!

Edit: oh yeah, ya gotta be able to steer!!!!
too late, they have, Christini 2WD mountain bikes have been around for a while now.
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Old 05-16-05 | 02:23 AM
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Originally Posted by PenguinDeD
Ohhh man....now i thought of another one.

How come nobody has made a bike where the drivetrain goes to both wheels?!

Kinda like what patriot was saying (Thanks for the idea ), put dual double rings on the bike, one on each side, and have dual cassettes, one for the front wheel and one for the rear!

Edit: oh yeah, ya gotta be able to steer!!!!

Not quite dual chain drive (they are out there, mostly home-made) but close, and definitely the most refined example of an all-wheel-drive bicycle I've found is here:
https://www.christini.com/

(edit: doh! didn't read the whole thread. Oh well, at least I contributed the link)
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Old 05-16-05 | 03:04 AM
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wouldn't a 2wd bike be far less energy efficient?

if you get stuck in the mud in a bike, thats what feet are for
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Old 05-16-05 | 03:18 AM
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Yes, there is probably some mechanical loss from the (for example) shaft drives on those Christini bikes, but which is less efficient:
1) a few percent lost from switching on the front wheel drive, or
2) getting off the bike, pushing it, getting back on it, riding off?

Sounds like 2wd > feet , at least if efficiency is what you're worried about.
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Old 05-16-05 | 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Enthalpic
The simplest solution is most often the correct one.
a.k.a. "Occam's Razor" ..... A great philosophy and so true when it comes to systems troubleshooting and many other things. I love it.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:

"Occam's Razor (also Ockham's Razor or any of several other spellings), is a principle attributed to the 14th century English logician and Franciscan friar, William of Ockham that forms the basis of methodological reductionism, also called the principle of parsimony or law of economy.

In its simplest form, Occam's Razor states that one should make no more assumptions than needed. When multiple explanations are available for a phenomenon, the simplest version is preferred. A charred tree on the ground could be caused by a landing alien ship or a lightning strike. According to Occam's Razor, the lightning strike is the preferred explanation as it requires the fewest assumptions."
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Old 05-16-05 | 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by PenguinDeD
Ohhh man....now i thought of another one.

How come nobody has made a bike where the drivetrain goes to both wheels?!

Kinda like what patriot was saying (Thanks for the idea ), put dual double rings on the bike, one on each side, and have dual cassettes, one for the front wheel and one for the rear!

Edit: oh yeah, ya gotta be able to steer!!!!
Bicycling Magazine had a bike a few years ago where the front wheel was driven by a flexible shaft. There are motorcycles where the front wheel is driven by a hydraulic system.
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Old 05-16-05 | 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Patriot
How about put one ring on each side of the BB shell, the 39 on the left, the 53 on the right. Then split the cassette with the climbing gears on the left, and the higher speed gears on the right? Two chains two smaller freehubs, double chains that freewheel, and dual acting ders working together? How's that for engineering?

Now you can have even dish in your wheel. There, dish problem solved.

Interesting idea but it seems it would make your pedaling a bit jerky. Since your left side would be a one gear ratio and your right side would be at a larger gear ratio. You would be pedalling harder with your right foot because of the higher ratio on that side.

But I had a similar idea a few weeks back. Chainrings on both sides but with fewer teeth and the rear gears would have fewer teeth too. This is to get the same gear ratios as you would with the chainrings on the same side.
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Old 05-16-05 | 01:12 PM
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Having a foot slip onto one ring is better than three?
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Old 05-17-05 | 03:36 AM
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The level of intelligence here is 'simply' astounding.
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Old 05-17-05 | 05:19 AM
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The simplest solution is most often the correct one.
Reminds me of my favorite Einstein-ism:

"Make everything as simple as possible, but no simpler."
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Old 05-17-05 | 05:33 AM
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The famous French company Specialities-TA experimented with a Traction Avant (front wheel drive) before giving up and doing something much better.
https://www.specialites-ta.com/hidtorique_gb.htm
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Old 05-17-05 | 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by PenguinDeD
Ohhh man....now i thought of another one.

How come nobody has made a bike where the drivetrain goes to both wheels?!

Kinda like what patriot was saying (Thanks for the idea ), put dual double rings on the bike, one on each side, and have dual cassettes, one for the front wheel and one for the rear!

Edit: oh yeah, ya gotta be able to steer!!!!

They have. One has a drive shaft going up inside a frame tube and one used a spinning drive cable like an old fashioned speedometer. They don't function better than a single wheel drive mtb in most conditions. Slightly better in sand possibly.
There is added friction and weight.
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Old 05-17-05 | 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Waxbytes
If you look at the clearance between the chainrings and the chainstays it becomes clear that putting the large ring on the inside would require a much wider spindle to get the needed chainring space.This would put the feet further apart while pedaling, which would cause some people much difficulty.
Are you getting the feeling no one read your post? Or just did not understand?
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