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Frame tossed?

Old 06-24-16, 01:14 AM
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Frame tossed?

Got a nasty stuck chain that actually bent the chain pins... and did some decent damage to the frame.

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Curious thing is that the chain didn't drop when I was shifting to the small chain ring, I was shifting to the bike one after I was done with the climb
Still need to figure out how the heck a dropped chain to the big chain ring gets stuck like that.
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How on earth did it do that much damage? Did you not stop when you realized that the chain had dropped?

FWIW I wouldn't ride that frame anymore.
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Good God, how long did you keep peddling after the drop?
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Yikes! That frame is toast.
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Jesus that looks like MULTIPLE revolutions after the drop. Dip you just keep pedaling through all the grinding and noise?! I can't make it even half a turn after a dropped chain.
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Looks like it's happened more than once.
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how big was the bear that chewed on your frame?
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Ouch! Strange that it was during a shift to the big chain ring.

My frame has very little spacing down at the bottom bracket, and a dropped chain would instantly jam in there. So the LBS installed a chain catcher when the bike was new. It must be policy with them, they didn't ask me. No scratches on the catcher, so the chain has never dropped, but I like having it there for peace of mind.

Repair
There are carbon frame repair services. One of the first was the custom frame maker Calfee . They can rebuild the damage and for extra cost, repaint so that the repair is invisible.

Calfee repair

From a google search, here's another: carbonframerepair.com
I like their description:

Frame Repairs (Inspection fee of $50 – put towards repair)
  • $200-$250 Mere Flesh Wound – partial tube patching for minor carbon frame damage
  • $250-$350 Healthy Carnage – Carbon wrap the entire tube for a more serious cracked carbon frame
  • $350+ Hella FUBARed- Missing chunks of carbon or partially flattened tubes

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Good God, how long did you keep peddling after the drop?

He could pedal all day, but nothing more would happen, since the chain was off the ring. Must have had to pry it out of there, but that's still a lot of damage.

It's often best to try to pull it out radially and work from both ends, instead of yanking on one end of the chain to get it out.

If it's this stuck, I'd remove the crankset to free the chain. (But probably wouldn't consider it until I'd done a bunch of damage first, and that's not an easy field repair.)

It does seem that the chain may have dropped more than once...

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That is no big deal to repair.

What frame is it?
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Originally Posted by rm -rf
Repair
There are carbon frame repair services. One of the first was the custom frame maker Calfee . They can rebuild the damage and for extra cost, repaint so that the repair is invisible.

Calfee repair

From a google search, here's another: carbonframerepair.com
I like their description:

Frame Repairs (Inspection fee of $50 – put towards repair)
  • $200-$250 Mere Flesh Wound – partial tube patching for minor carbon frame damage
  • $250-$350 Healthy Carnage – Carbon wrap the entire tube for a more serious cracked carbon frame
  • $350+ Hella FUBARed- Missing chunks of carbon or partially flattened tubes

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With all the talk about CF not being durable, its actually easier to repair than most metal frames.
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Originally Posted by K.Katso
Did you not stop when you realized that the chain had dropped?
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Good God, how long did you keep peddling after the drop?
About 200 miles, uphill, on an average 73% grade. If you stop pedaling just because a chain dropped, a wheel cracked or your heart stopped beating, you need to HTFU!

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Ouch! Strange that it was during a shift to the big chain ring.
... He could pedal all day, but nothing more would happen, since the chain was off the ring. Must have had to pry it out of there, but that's still a lot of damage.

It's often best to try to pull it out radially and work from both ends, instead of yanking on one end of the chain to get it out.

If it's this stuck, I'd remove the crankset to free the chain. (But probably wouldn't consider it until I'd done a bunch of damage first, and that's not an easy field repair.)

It does seem that the chain may have dropped more than once...
Spot on! It was the second time the chain dropped in the last month, both of times it got stuck there. When it dropped going to the big chain ring, I shifted back to the small one and tried to gentle peddle to bring it back. at that point I couldn't pedal after a revolution or two and I had to pull off and try to unstuck it.
It was really jammed there, so I managed to unstock the bottom first and put it half length of the chain ring again and thought back pedaling would pull the chain back in place. Nope... got even more stuck.
At that point I realized 3 things:
  1. It would be very easy if I removed crankset, but I didn't have the giant ass Allen required for GXP crank arms.
  2. If it went in, it can come out
  3. Hulk, Smash!!!!

#3 probably got the work done, but the chain came out twisted 45 degrees and I ended up having to call Uber to take me back home.
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That is no big deal to repair. What frame is it?
I know it can be repaired, but it seems like a good excuse to just build a new one. There are great deals on frames on ebay and craigs list, instead of putting $300+ on a repair, may be I should get another frame.
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Originally Posted by HazeT

I know it can be repaired, but it seems like a good excuse to just build a new one. There are great deals on frames on ebay and craigs list, instead of putting $300+ on a repair, may be I should get another frame.
That's why I asked what the frame is. $300-$500 is a great deal if it's a $4000 frame, but too much to spend on a low end CF frame.
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Originally Posted by HazeT
I know it can be repaired, but it seems like a good excuse to just build a new one. There are great deals on frames on ebay and craigs list, instead of putting $300+ on a repair, may be I should get another frame.
Yeah, time to try something new like one of those reputable Chinese frames.
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I'm pretty confident having never done a repair myself to say that this can be done yourself for around $100. Many videos on Youtube of carbon fiber repair. I'm not sure how confident I would be on a frame broken in pieces but this is another story.

Here is a neat article talking about carbon repair bikes being just as strong if not stronger than stock. They say they fix bikes broken into multiple pieces with Cervelo and Specialized agreeing.
https://www.bicycling.com/maintenance...n-frame-repair

But hey if you want a new bike than by all means. Maybe we could work a deal on this frame, what is it?
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Originally Posted by HazeT
About 200 miles, uphill, on an average 73% grade. If you stop pedaling just because a chain dropped, a wheel cracked or your heart stopped beating, you need to HTFU!
I didn't realize we had any mountains that reached into orbit.
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Originally Posted by HazeT
Got a nasty stuck chain that actually bent the chain pins... and did some decent damage to the frame

Curious thing is that the chain didn't drop when I was shifting to the small chain ring, I was shifting to the bike one after I was done with the climb
Still need to figure out how the heck a dropped chain to the big chain ring gets stuck like that.
Contact Appleman Bikes in Minneapolis, he does a ton of repairs (& makes great custom bike too)

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Originally Posted by himespau
Yeah, time to try something new like one of those reputable Chinese frames.
I'm looking at the Hong Fu HF-FM079-F, the problem is that with disk frames I would have to part ways with my wheelset, and need new shifters which isn't cheap.

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That's why I asked what the frame is. $300-$500 is a great deal if it's a $4000 frame, but too much to spend on a low end CF frame.
The former.
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Originally Posted by Hypno Toad
Contact Appleman Bikes in Minneapolis, he does a ton of repairs (& makes great custom bike too)

Carbon Fiber Bike Frame Repair | Appleman Bicycles
There is a good guy next to me too, Spyder Carbon in Los Gatos, CA. Heard only good things but I can't justify the $350+ cost.
eBay has some really nice frame sets going on now, for example a synapse carbon hi-mod for $999. I just didn't buy it is because it is a disc model and that would add to the cost in the form of new wheelset and new shifters
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Originally Posted by Hypno Toad
Contact Appleman Bikes in Minneapolis, he does a ton of repairs (& makes great custom bike too)

Carbon Fiber Bike Frame Repair | Appleman Bicycles
almost every major city has a frame builder that could handle that repair. There's no need to pay for shipping in addition to the repair.
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If this post is "real", then the OP should be looking for a vintage Schwinn Varsity. They are much more durable than the new plastic bikes.

I haven't dropped the chain yet on my "new" CF bike. But, if somehow I ended up with a badly stuck chain, then perhaps try disassembling the chainrings rather than forcing the chain out.
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Originally Posted by CliffordK
If this post is "real", then the OP should be looking for a vintage Schwinn Varsity. They are much more durable than the new plastic bikes.

I haven't dropped the chain yet on my "new" CF bike. But, if somehow I ended up with a badly stuck chain, then perhaps try disassembling the chainrings rather than forcing the chain out.
Sure its easier to disassemble the chainring, do you carry a 8mm hex on you at all times? that is not part of a portable multi tool.
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Originally Posted by HazeT
Sure its easier to disassemble the chainring, do you carry a 8mm hex on you at all times? that is not part of a portable multi tool.
I've never seen chainring bolts that use an 8mm Allen wrench
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Originally Posted by noodle soup
I've never seen chainring bolts that use an 8mm Allen wrench
Well. I'm talking about removing the crank arm so i could push the chainrings to the side not remove the chaing rings per say.

https://www.sram.com/sites/default/f...nual-rev-a.pdf
Page 24. Figure 8.
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Originally Posted by Hypno Toad
Contact Appleman Bikes in Minneapolis, he does a ton of repairs (& makes great custom bike too)

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Hopefully not because the bikes they make require this.
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Originally Posted by Corbin
I'm pretty confident having never done a repair myself to say that this can be done yourself for around $100. Many videos on Youtube of carbon fiber repair. I'm not sure how confident I would be on a frame broken in pieces but this is another story.
I really don't think frame repair is something that should be DYI unless you know what you are doing. I wouldn't want to put my life during a 50mph descent in the hands of some bloke on YouTube. Time for a new frame, or have a pro fix this one if it's super expensive.
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