Moots Vamoots
08-29-17, 04:33 PM
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08-29-17, 08:31 PM
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Yes, Bianca would just obsess over that pink!
08-30-17, 08:05 PM
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Carbon typically can be made better than titanium. Titanium frames either tend to be really heavy (comparatively) or very flexy.
I was reading Phil Gaimon's book recently and he complained about a Lynsky neutral support bike he had to ride saying it was 6lbs heavier and flexed so much it caused brake rub when he would stand up on the pedals.
I think the moors vamoots is badass and I love seeing them, but modern carbon really can't be beat.
I was reading Phil Gaimon's book recently and he complained about a Lynsky neutral support bike he had to ride saying it was 6lbs heavier and flexed so much it caused brake rub when he would stand up on the pedals.
I think the moors vamoots is badass and I love seeing them, but modern carbon really can't be beat.
08-30-17, 09:36 PM
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Carbon typically can be made better than titanium. Titanium frames either tend to be really heavy (comparatively) or very flexy.
I was reading Phil Gaimon's book recently and he complained about a Lynsky neutral support bike he had to ride saying it was 6lbs heavier and flexed so much it caused brake rub when he would stand up on the pedals.
I think the moors vamoots is badass and I love seeing them, but modern carbon really can't be beat.
I was reading Phil Gaimon's book recently and he complained about a Lynsky neutral support bike he had to ride saying it was 6lbs heavier and flexed so much it caused brake rub when he would stand up on the pedals.
I think the moors vamoots is badass and I love seeing them, but modern carbon really can't be beat.
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08-31-17, 05:00 AM
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08-31-17, 05:05 AM
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Carbon typically can be made better than titanium. Titanium frames either tend to be really heavy (comparatively) or very flexy.
I was reading Phil Gaimon's book recently and he complained about a Lynsky neutral support bike he had to ride saying it was 6lbs heavier and flexed so much it caused brake rub when he would stand up on the pedals.
I think the moors vamoots is badass and I love seeing them, but modern carbon really can't be beat.
I was reading Phil Gaimon's book recently and he complained about a Lynsky neutral support bike he had to ride saying it was 6lbs heavier and flexed so much it caused brake rub when he would stand up on the pedals.
I think the moors vamoots is badass and I love seeing them, but modern carbon really can't be beat.
08-31-17, 05:59 AM
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Phil Gaimon is nuts, whoever he is. There is at most a 1 lb difference in the frame to get similar stiffness and ride quality as carbon. And brake rub is almost always due to flexible wheels, not a flexible frame. If a frame is flexible, the noise is usually the crank rubbing on the front derailleur due to BB flex.
08-31-17, 10:10 AM
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Carbon typically can be made better than titanium. Titanium frames either tend to be really heavy (comparatively) or very flexy.
I was reading Phil Gaimon's book recently and he complained about a Lynsky neutral support bike he had to ride saying it was 6lbs heavier and flexed so much it caused brake rub when he would stand up on the pedals.
I think the moors vamoots is badass and I love seeing them, but modern carbon really can't be beat.
I was reading Phil Gaimon's book recently and he complained about a Lynsky neutral support bike he had to ride saying it was 6lbs heavier and flexed so much it caused brake rub when he would stand up on the pedals.
I think the moors vamoots is badass and I love seeing them, but modern carbon really can't be beat.
Well he's a pro cyclist and he didn't say the frame weighed 6lbs more, but the whole bike was. Reading comprehension. And Flo wheels will disagree with you on that. They've corrected people before for saying the same thing. Most wheels aren't going to flex, and certainly not good wheels. When you have stiff wheels on a bike it'll put more forces on the frame and the frame will flex more and ultimately lead to issues like brake rub. It's a system. The handlebars, stem, frame, BB, cranks, and wheels all interact and changing wheels will cause reactions in the whole system. (Paraphrased from Flo)
Flo wheels don't flex because they are absurdly overbuilt often weighing hundreds of grams more than other brands with the same nominal application. That is their shtick, what the company is all about. But you have no idea what wheels were on the subject bike and whether they were the cause of the rub. Start a thread here about wheel flex and see how many examples you get coming in from the 41.
I repeat again that the main center of frame flex that nearly everyone cites is the bottom bracket. Maybe occasionally also the head tube. But not the front or rear dropouts. I know of no road racing wheels that are stiffer than the rear end and fork of the bike.
08-31-17, 11:02 AM
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08-31-17, 11:12 AM
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You know, guys, I have half a mind to go through here and infract every single one of you who was abusive. WTF makes you such experts that you can spot a troll with certainty when you see or hear one? WTF makes you so insecure that you would rather abuse someone than take a chance that some stranger might slip one over on you on the internet.
You know, you guys have a choice, and that's the kicker. Instead of moving on elsewhere when you find a thread not to your liking, you instead choose the option to stay around, get butthurt and get abusive. We've been over this on more than one occasion, and many of you are totally familiar. When you choose to be abusive instead of other choices I have no sympathy in infracting you . . . you asked for it.
You know, you guys have a choice, and that's the kicker. Instead of moving on elsewhere when you find a thread not to your liking, you instead choose the option to stay around, get butthurt and get abusive. We've been over this on more than one occasion, and many of you are totally familiar. When you choose to be abusive instead of other choices I have no sympathy in infracting you . . . you asked for it.
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08-31-17, 01:44 PM
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It's true that identifying trolls seems to be a gift not shared by all. I'm happy to help when I can and IIRC I'm batting 1000.
Nevertheless, I'll move along and let others help the OP decide if his Moots is or is not a decent bike.
Nevertheless, I'll move along and let others help the OP decide if his Moots is or is not a decent bike.
08-31-17, 03:00 PM
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Out of this whole thread, I only got 1 answer about my question.
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That's because it's a hard question to answer. Sweet bikes have been made of lots of different materials and some junk made of every material imaginable including carbon. In the end, it's all about the bike that you ride and enjoy. If your Moots fits properly and you like it, then it's as good as any other machine regardless of the material..
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You must be referrring to my first reply. In case you missed it, I will repeat it: Nothing rides as good as good Ti. Nothing.
08-31-17, 05:08 PM
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I think it is one thing for forum members to use "offensive" language and another for a moderator to get pushed to a breaking point with forum members flagrantly breaking the rules and doing so.
08-31-17, 08:24 PM
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08-31-17, 09:56 PM
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You could sell the Vamoots to someone who knows what they're buying and use that money to buy a carbon bike. There.
