I have an Inch of Spacers-Frame too Aggressive?
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Yea, this is important with carbon steerer tubes and expansion plugs that come with the top cap. If there are too many spacers above the stem the plug won’t line up with the stem clamp; it will press out against the carbon tube in a way that it’s not designed to, and could damage the steerer, or the stem clamp could damage the tube due to lack of internal support.
In regards to the OPs first post....
All stems should be slammed and should be horizontal or downward facing. There should only be a single headset top cover of 15mm or less. Anything more than that requires purchasing another bike with a taller stack height.
Kidding... I think some MFGs put limits of like 40mm of spacers, especially on carbon steerer, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with 25mm. Do whatever is comfortable. If you have to do 40mm of spacers and a +17° riser stem, do it. The most important bit is that you enjoy the ride. Don’t let any fashion Fred tell you differently.
In regards to the OPs first post....
All stems should be slammed and should be horizontal or downward facing. There should only be a single headset top cover of 15mm or less. Anything more than that requires purchasing another bike with a taller stack height.
Kidding... I think some MFGs put limits of like 40mm of spacers, especially on carbon steerer, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with 25mm. Do whatever is comfortable. If you have to do 40mm of spacers and a +17° riser stem, do it. The most important bit is that you enjoy the ride. Don’t let any fashion Fred tell you differently.
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Then there's this.
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Thank you so much for the replies. It sounds like my bike is fine just as-is. It really has been a great bike for me and I'm going to save my money.
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This is a good example of why it is better to look at stack and reach to compare geometry, instead of head tube length and top tube length. For instance, if you look at the stack and reach numbers, you can see that the 56cm Roubaix is significantly taller than the Cannondale (611mm vs. 560mm) and much shorter reach (381mm vs. 394mm). So the Roubaix indeed has "endurance" geometry; in fact it is one of the frames with the highest stack-to-reach ratio across the size range:
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Hi, I'm on a CAAD10 that has been professionally fitted to me and have been riding it for 3 years, 2000 miles a year. The frame size is correct etc (me=6'1, frame=58). I'm in good shape but not the most flexible person. The end result is about an inch of spacers used to bring up the handlebars (stem is straight).
Everything about the bike feels good.
If I were to get a new bike, would something like the Canyon Endurace make more sense, since I think my aggressive CAAD10 has been transformed partway into an endurance type fit anyways due to my spacers?
Thanks!
Everything about the bike feels good.
If I were to get a new bike, would something like the Canyon Endurace make more sense, since I think my aggressive CAAD10 has been transformed partway into an endurance type fit anyways due to my spacers?
Thanks!
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Surely someone must wonder how, were it not for the doping, Lance could have won even a single Tour de France with an inch of spacers, non?
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Yea, this is important with carbon steerer tubes and expansion plugs that come with the top cap. If there are too many spacers above the stem the plug won’t line up with the stem clamp; it will press out against the carbon tube in a way that it’s not designed to, and could damage the steerer, or the stem clamp could damage the tube due to lack of internal support.
In regards to the OPs first post....
All stems should be slammed and should be horizontal or downward facing. There should only be a single headset top cover of 15mm or less. Anything more than that requires purchasing another bike with a taller stack height.
Kidding... I think some MFGs put limits of like 40mm of spacers, especially on carbon steerer, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with 25mm. Do whatever is comfortable. If you have to do 40mm of spacers and a +17° riser stem, do it. The most important bit is that you enjoy the ride. Don’t let any fashion Fred tell you differently.
In regards to the OPs first post....
All stems should be slammed and should be horizontal or downward facing. There should only be a single headset top cover of 15mm or less. Anything more than that requires purchasing another bike with a taller stack height.
Kidding... I think some MFGs put limits of like 40mm of spacers, especially on carbon steerer, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with 25mm. Do whatever is comfortable. If you have to do 40mm of spacers and a +17° riser stem, do it. The most important bit is that you enjoy the ride. Don’t let any fashion Fred tell you differently.
Rule # 45
A maximum stack height of 2cm is allowed below the stem and a single 5mm spacer must always – always – be stacked above. A “slammed down” stack height is preferable; meaning that the stem is positioned directly on the top race of the headset.
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Yea, I'm a horrible Velominati; I have one bike slammed with about 10-15mm above, and another slammed with the steerer cut so that there are no spacers above. I'm also in violation of rules 1, 2, 8, 24, 25 (it's a stupid rule), 29-31, 37 (but only with my Racing Jackets), 50 (in a major way), 62 (1/2 way), 74, 90 (on hills), 91, 92 and 94.
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Yea, I'm a horrible Velominati; I have one bike slammed with about 10-15mm above, and another slammed with the steerer cut so that there are no spacers above. I'm also in violation of rules 1, 2, 8, 24, 25 (it's a stupid rule), 29-31, 37 (but only with my Racing Jackets), 50 (in a major way), 62 (1/2 way), 74, 90 (on hills), 91, 92 and 94.
I've gone through the rules, and I violate quite a few of them actually. I should point out that implicit in the Velominati rules is an air of casual IDGAF (I Don't Give a F***). If you can exude that air, that is an affirmative defense against any other violation of the rules.
My new Lynskey currently has 35mm worth of spacers stacked under the stem. I'm inclined to keep it that way for now. Even with that, my seatpost is high enough that I've got something like 60 or 70mm of drop, and at my age and physical size that's about all I can realistically go right now. As I continue losing weight and, uh, clear some more space between my lower torso and the top of my thighs at the apex of my pedal stroke (ie: stop my legs hitting my gut) I may consider dropping the stem a little more. I may not, also, since I'm not a racer, and don't necessarily care about or desire to achieve that full-out long and low position.
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Unless you have one of those wierd chimeric unborn twins inside you somewhere, you are a velominatus.
I've gone through the rules, and I violate quite a few of them actually. I should point out that implicit in the Velominati rules is an air of casual IDGAF (I Don't Give a F***). If you can exude that air, that is an affirmative defense against any other violation of the rules.
My new Lynskey currently has 35mm worth of spacers stacked under the stem. I'm inclined to keep it that way for now. Even with that, my seatpost is high enough that I've got something like 60 or 70mm of drop, and at my age and physical size that's about all I can realistically go right now. As I continue losing weight and, uh, clear some more space between my lower torso and the top of my thighs at the apex of my pedal stroke (ie: stop my legs hitting my gut) I may consider dropping the stem a little more. I may not, also, since I'm not a racer, and don't necessarily care about or desire to achieve that full-out long and low position.
I've gone through the rules, and I violate quite a few of them actually. I should point out that implicit in the Velominati rules is an air of casual IDGAF (I Don't Give a F***). If you can exude that air, that is an affirmative defense against any other violation of the rules.
My new Lynskey currently has 35mm worth of spacers stacked under the stem. I'm inclined to keep it that way for now. Even with that, my seatpost is high enough that I've got something like 60 or 70mm of drop, and at my age and physical size that's about all I can realistically go right now. As I continue losing weight and, uh, clear some more space between my lower torso and the top of my thighs at the apex of my pedal stroke (ie: stop my legs hitting my gut) I may consider dropping the stem a little more. I may not, also, since I'm not a racer, and don't necessarily care about or desire to achieve that full-out long and low position.
Lost track of where I was, oh yea, velominatus... yea, I guess so.
Man, we got off on a tangent didn’t we. Apologies to the OP for the hijack.
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Pesty, you're more of a hard man than me if you rode 48 days straight. I've been riding around 5 times per week during that period. I guess I need to harden the f, uh, to harden up. Btw, my new Lynskey R260 is rocking a Brooks saddle. Not quite as egregious an affront to the cycling gods as in your case, though, since at least this model of bike is marketed as an all-day endurance/club/sportive type of bike, not a pure racer.
To swing this around to the OP: I just ordered a custom hour-glass-shaped 35mm-high titanium spacer from Ti Cycles for my Lynskey. It will replace the hodge podge of FSA aluminum spacers upon which my stem currently perches. I don't care what the haters say about that 35mm stack. IDGAF. AF. I quite like the stack height I've got now, and with the money I just put down for this custom single-piece titanium spacer, I'd better keep liking it for a long, long time. I'll let you in a little perverse secret, though: if Lynskey had left more steerer tube on the bike I might have actually ordered an even taller spacer! I had assumed that given this bike's listed geo I'd be in a somewhat more vertical position than my previous bike. I must have long legs or something, because the bike's currently got something like 60 or 70mm of drop (not measured accurately yet, just eyeballed), even with that 35mm spacer stack.
To swing this around to the OP: I just ordered a custom hour-glass-shaped 35mm-high titanium spacer from Ti Cycles for my Lynskey. It will replace the hodge podge of FSA aluminum spacers upon which my stem currently perches. I don't care what the haters say about that 35mm stack. IDGAF. AF. I quite like the stack height I've got now, and with the money I just put down for this custom single-piece titanium spacer, I'd better keep liking it for a long, long time. I'll let you in a little perverse secret, though: if Lynskey had left more steerer tube on the bike I might have actually ordered an even taller spacer! I had assumed that given this bike's listed geo I'd be in a somewhat more vertical position than my previous bike. I must have long legs or something, because the bike's currently got something like 60 or 70mm of drop (not measured accurately yet, just eyeballed), even with that 35mm spacer stack.
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Just looked up that spacer, that is a sweet spacer and I can definitely see that on a Lynskey.
I do need to fess up on one thing... my Brooks is a C15, so it’s not leather. BUT, it is a Brooks and as such has no place on a bike that was specifically designed for crit racing, and I HAVE had people tell me I should get a Specialized Power Sadlle for my bike.
I do need to fess up on one thing... my Brooks is a C15, so it’s not leather. BUT, it is a Brooks and as such has no place on a bike that was specifically designed for crit racing, and I HAVE had people tell me I should get a Specialized Power Sadlle for my bike.
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Just looked up that spacer, that is a sweet spacer and I can definitely see that on a Lynskey.
I do need to fess up on one thing... my Brooks is a C15, so it’s not leather. BUT, it is a Brooks and as such has no place on a bike that was specifically designed for crit racing, and I HAVE had people tell me I should get a Specialized Power Sadlle for my bike.
I do need to fess up on one thing... my Brooks is a C15, so it’s not leather. BUT, it is a Brooks and as such has no place on a bike that was specifically designed for crit racing, and I HAVE had people tell me I should get a Specialized Power Sadlle for my bike.
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It’s somewhat rough canvas on top of rubber. Not as smooth or Kushy as leather, don’t slide around as much, or at all. And I only drink straight shots of espresso. Double shots, no water, no steamed milk, not drip coffee, proper espresso.
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I have an endurance frame AND 25mm spacers but I also can ride in the drops all day with this setup.
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