I dunno how you're going to get even the shoes in a 2.7L bag. I think the Ortlieb's largest dimension is around 10 inches.

Good point. Am able to fit the laptop or shoes (not bulky ones) either or. Not both at the same time. I like this design wish they made one that is just a wee bit bigger. I think I’m going to settle for this for now for the nice design and maybe look for a frame bag for the laptop... the bag you recommended timbuck2 Sonoma is still with me haven’t returned it yet. Might keep it as it’s not ‘extremely’ bulky when rolled up yet can carry both the shoes and laptop at once. I know I’m being extremely picky here lol