Compact vs semi-compact
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I guess it all depends on what gives a ride meaning. Also, some of us are happy to use the watts. .
One can stop pedaling once it gets counterproductive on any setup, but dismissing the 1-1.5mph advantage of the bigger chain ring seems to indicate a lack of appreciation for speed and an absence of competitive spirit.
One can stop pedaling once it gets counterproductive on any setup, but dismissing the 1-1.5mph advantage of the bigger chain ring seems to indicate a lack of appreciation for speed and an absence of competitive spirit.
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I can't think of any good reason to not keep your current lowest gear-inch combination if you're currently using that gear-inch combination with any regularity.
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That was the flattest state I have ever driven in.
The road just went straight for 100 miles.. not a turn, not a hill... nothing.
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crankset threads are always valuable and never pointless
I've seen things you wouldn't believe in the internet crankset comment wars. Internet expert comments on fire off the shoulder of Orion. C-Record sub-compacts glitter in the dark near the Champs Elysees. All those triples will be lost in time, like tears in the rain...
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OK, I'll buy that. But it gets us back to the question of whether a recreational rider is truly "spinning out." Riders who are well disciplined may be able to spin up to max after a slog of a climb or sitting in the middle of a bunch for half an hour, but many of us who CAN spin up to 140 FEEL like we've spun out before we even get to 110 after grinding up a hill or sitting lazily in the middle of a bunch just doing 80 during the boring bits. It's not all about being smart. Sometimes it's just about being fun.
#61
No, some people will never see anything except with their own eyes.
Actually, I think this all more a matter of taste than physics. Some like to win the race by playing the tortoise. Others care less about that and rather enjoy playing the hare.
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Oh, if they stay on your tail as you ramp up the speed, yeah, you're overtaken by them as easily as ever. But if they aren't paying attention at the crest, you can drop them like a rock. They might catch up eventually, but that's OK.
At the time, we were talking about spinning up to maximize downhill speed, and my point was that spinning up to ones own max rpm is neither easy nor likely among undisciplined riders when they have been mashing or slowly turning the cranks for an extended period. I've done rides hovering around 110 rpm for the most part and spun up over 140, but when riding around most of the morning rarely exceeding 90, 110 feels spastic.
No, some people will never see anything except with their own eyes.
Actually, I think this all more a matter of taste than physics. Some like to win the race by playing the tortoise. Others care less about that and rather enjoy playing the hare.
At the time, we were talking about spinning up to maximize downhill speed, and my point was that spinning up to ones own max rpm is neither easy nor likely among undisciplined riders when they have been mashing or slowly turning the cranks for an extended period. I've done rides hovering around 110 rpm for the most part and spun up over 140, but when riding around most of the morning rarely exceeding 90, 110 feels spastic.
No, some people will never see anything except with their own eyes.
Actually, I think this all more a matter of taste than physics. Some like to win the race by playing the tortoise. Others care less about that and rather enjoy playing the hare.
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The Tour of Utah starts, maybe today, actually. I was watching some Go Pro footage online a few years ago. Those descents were off the hook.
#64
There is one decent Strava segment that goes through two switchbacks, and I've decided, nope, not going to bother with it. Just enjoy the coast.
I have one segment with about a 6% slope that i push up to the mid 40's that is straight and wide.
The one from the photo, 14%, levels off a couple of times, but is generally straight. The one issue with it is that it is right on the edge of the city, headed into town which could potentially bring issues. I.E. Cars and lights trump Strava.
#65
Again, since you missed the point entirely, the difference in the spinnup is less than 5rpm because the difference in 50x11 and 52x11 in terms of torque and rpm required to achieve a desired speed is small. You aren't limited by your gearing when cresting and accelerating at the top of the hill, as any racer would know, and certainly a recreational cyclist won't be able to tell the difference in acceleration with a 50x11 vs a 52x11 accelerating over a hill


No, YOU guys miss the point. We can't or just don't WANT to manage those extra 5 rpm. Some people seem to forget: the difference between success and failure is as small as the scorer cares to measure. There is no such thing as an insignificant measurable increment when it comes to success vs failure.
Oh, and don't pretend to know when I can discern a difference and when I can't. We can only guess what anyone else perceives .
You don't know me!

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Somehow, guys like Merckx managed to get downhill quickly with 52-13
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To the OP
Skip the mid-compact crankset. If you have never ridden with a standard road crankset, try that for a while. If you can still get up hill, then you are all set.
Skip the mid-compact crankset. If you have never ridden with a standard road crankset, try that for a while. If you can still get up hill, then you are all set.
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There's also the issue of what the rear derailleur could happily tolerate. The Nuovo Record relied on the angle of the idler cage to keep the jockey wheel at reasonable distance from the cogs, and front shifts affect that angle, so a large front gearing range could result in more reluctant rear shifting.






