Light Bicycle Wheels
#1101
BOTHER. That's what you get for having a 12 year old frame i suppose.
#1102
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From: Richfield, WI
Bikes: Trek Domane SL7 Disc, Cannondale F29

Seriously though, I've been a roadie for over 25 years (yikes) and this whole "wider is better" thing really surprises me and is one of the best changes to road cycling (IMHO) that has come about in recent times. Most of my cycling days were spent on 23C tires and the change to 25C made me feel like I was riding around on motorcycle tires. However, my latest bike has 32C tires and rims with a 25mm internal width and I absolutely love the combination... and I didn't think I would. If you're into "Everesting", then perhaps this combination won't work due to the added weight, but for normal people on normal roads (or gravel) on normal rides, there's a reason why wider wheels and tires are becoming popular. While average speed isn't a great indicator of anything, I find that my average speed on my daily rides hasn't really suffered at all with my new fatty wheels and tires. I think part of the reason for this is that I can now ride over the nasty, bumpy rides I normally ride on with more comfort which eventually equates to more speed. My 2 cents.
#1103
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I keep struggling to pull the trigger. If I am running exclusively 30 or 32c tubeless tires on the road, (2019 Cannondale Synapse Carbon Disc Ultegra) should I opt for the AR46 or WR45. Any and all advice is much appreciated!
#1104
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From: Richfield, WI
Bikes: Trek Domane SL7 Disc, Cannondale F29
With wide tires, absolutely go with wide rims (i.e., WR series). The AR series are for riders who's bikes either can't support a wide rim or are riding narrower tires (25mm or 28mm).
#1105
AR56(23mm internal width) or WR45(25mm internal width) are the two that I'd be looking at.
#1106
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The WR comes in at 1537 grams and $996.40. AR at 1507 grams and $956.40 configured the same. While 30grams is probably imperceptible, am I correct to believe the WR would be more aero with 30 or 32c tires and worth the extra $40 and 30 grams?
#1107
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From: Richfield, WI
Bikes: Trek Domane SL7 Disc, Cannondale F29
Are you custom configuring the wheels or buying a pre-made wheelset? If you customize, you can get the wheels down to a crazy light weight largely by selecting a light weight hub. There is also a "Flyweight" carbon fiber rim option when building the custom wheels to minimize weight if you're not a heavy rider.
#1108
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I configured them with the North America options which are pretty straight forward. Unfortunately for me, cost is a consideration so I'm trying to balance all the typical criteria. It seems the DT350 with ratchet upgrade is a great hub albeit not the lightest. I'm close to the limit for flyweight so that's out.
Last edited by wirides; 06-24-20 at 10:38 AM.
#1109
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From: Richfield, WI
Bikes: Trek Domane SL7 Disc, Cannondale F29
I configured them with the North America options which are pretty straight forward. Unfortunately for me, cost is a consideration so I'm trying to balance all the typical criteria. It seems the DT350 with ratchet upgrade is a great hub albeit not the lightest. I'm close to the limit for flyweight so that's out.
#1111
Coffin Dodger
Joined: Mar 2013
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From: New Hampshire
Bikes: Motobecane Vent Noir, Lynskey R345, Serotta Nova Special X


8 weeks, order to door, Dt Swiss 350's with R45 no drill rims.
All set and ready to ride, after the thunderstorms clear out tomorrow.
Came very well packaged with skewers and extra star ratchets.
#1112
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From: New Hampshire
Bikes: Motobecane Vent Noir, Lynskey R345, Serotta Nova Special X



Very well packaged, and matched the picture they sent with shipping notification. They had lots of padding in all the right places, and everything was very secure.
The fit and finish of the wheel build see, is first rate. The brake pads required a little massaging to get in the holder, some left over flashing was not cleaned off.
#1113
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Bikes: 2017 Specialized Allez Sprint Comp
Curious to know how those pads feel. I think a lot of us skipped them and went straight to something more well known.
#1114
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From: Saratoga, NY
Bikes: Cervelo R3, Giant Revolt
#1116
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From: New Hampshire
Bikes: Motobecane Vent Noir, Lynskey R345, Serotta Nova Special X
Yes,
No, it's the grooved graphene track.
#1117
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AR46 turned up in the mail today.
First wheelset to rip the skin off the inside of my fingers mounting a tyre...
No levers though



First wheelset to rip the skin off the inside of my fingers mounting a tyre...
No levers though



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#1118
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From: Walnut Creek, CA
Bikes: 2023 Canyon Aeoroad CF SL, 2015 Trek Emonda SLR, 2002 Litespeed Classic, 2005 Bianchi Pista, Some BikesDirect MTB I never ride.
Hey everybody, so I just put in an order from Light Bicycle, and when I asked about the rear wheel lacing pattern, they told me they use 2X on the drive side, but zero cross on the non-drive side. I'm a little bit concerned about that, I've never had a rear wheel with a radially laced non-drive side, all my other wheels are 2X both sides. The hub uses J-bend spokes too, which I know can't be brought up as high as straight pull. Before I reply to them, I wanted to get some feedback if anyone else has this rear wheel lacing pattern? Also, if anyone has had a "custom" lacing pattern, did it cost extra to deviate from their standard lacing pattern? And of course, does anyone else have one of their wheels with this pattern, and does it ride ok? Thanks!
#1119
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From: Chicago
Bikes: 1984 Trek 770
Hey everybody, so I just put in an order from Light Bicycle, and when I asked about the rear wheel lacing pattern, they told me they use 2X on the drive side, but zero cross on the non-drive side. I'm a little bit concerned about that, I've never had a rear wheel with a radially laced non-drive side, all my other wheels are 2X both sides. The hub uses J-bend spokes too, which I know can't be brought up as high as straight pull. Before I reply to them, I wanted to get some feedback if anyone else has this rear wheel lacing pattern? Also, if anyone has had a "custom" lacing pattern, did it cost extra to deviate from their standard lacing pattern? And of course, does anyone else have one of their wheels with this pattern, and does it ride ok? Thanks!
#1120
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Hey everybody, so I just put in an order from Light Bicycle, and when I asked about the rear wheel lacing pattern, they told me they use 2X on the drive side, but zero cross on the non-drive side. I'm a little bit concerned about that, I've never had a rear wheel with a radially laced non-drive side, all my other wheels are 2X both sides. The hub uses J-bend spokes too, which I know can't be brought up as high as straight pull. Before I reply to them, I wanted to get some feedback if anyone else has this rear wheel lacing pattern? Also, if anyone has had a "custom" lacing pattern, did it cost extra to deviate from their standard lacing pattern? And of course, does anyone else have one of their wheels with this pattern, and does it ride ok? Thanks!
My OE wheelset came radial/2x. In the easiest gear, the spokes would bow out so much that they would skim the derailleur cage. But to be fair, the spokes on that wheelset were horrible.
The benefit of radial/2x is that it looks somewhat cool, you save a couple a grams, and it’s infinitesimally more aero. In some cases, you could have more lateral stiffness (depends on whether spoke heads face in or out). The con is that you have less drive stiffness. This can cause detensioning of spokes under high torque. It can cause derailleur rub like in my case (but it’s highly unlikely). It could also create a worse feel under power.
#1121
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Bikes: 2023 Canyon Aeoroad CF SL, 2015 Trek Emonda SLR, 2002 Litespeed Classic, 2005 Bianchi Pista, Some BikesDirect MTB I never ride.
Straight pull doesn’t allow any flexibility with lacing, so my wheelset was 2x both sides. I would recommend going 2x both sides. You get more torsional stiffness that way. Ie there are more spokes transferring the hub torque to the rim. If you’re getting a disc brake wheelset, it’s a no brainer.
My OE wheelset came radial/2x. In the easiest gear, the spokes would bow out so much that they would skim the derailleur cage. But to be fair, the spokes on that wheelset were horrible.
The benefit of radial/2x is that it looks somewhat cool, you save a couple a grams, and it’s infinitesimally more aero. In some cases, you could have more lateral stiffness (depends on whether spoke heads face in or out). The con is that you have less drive stiffness. This can cause detensioning of spokes under high torque. It can cause derailleur rub like in my case (but it’s highly unlikely). It could also create a worse feel under power.
My OE wheelset came radial/2x. In the easiest gear, the spokes would bow out so much that they would skim the derailleur cage. But to be fair, the spokes on that wheelset were horrible.
The benefit of radial/2x is that it looks somewhat cool, you save a couple a grams, and it’s infinitesimally more aero. In some cases, you could have more lateral stiffness (depends on whether spoke heads face in or out). The con is that you have less drive stiffness. This can cause detensioning of spokes under high torque. It can cause derailleur rub like in my case (but it’s highly unlikely). It could also create a worse feel under power.



