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Old 10-08-21, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
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Iíve got an Engin seatpost clamp on my T-Lab! 😊

This thread has drifted far from the questions in the OP, but on those matters, while itís hard for me to compare my CF and Ti bikes directly because they are for different purposes, there does seem to be a distinct difference in feel and a substantial difference in weight between the two. On the one hand, the Ti T-Lab seems to feel more smooth, although with 35mm rubber at 75psi compared to the 25mm rubber at 100psi on the carbon fiber Dedacciai, that could be wholly down to the tire setup, but I donít know. With regards to weight, the titanium T-Lab weighs in at 19.1lbs with pedals and cages, while the CF Dedacciai is three pounds lighter at 16.1lbs with the same equipment.

The weight doesnít seem to be noticeable while riding, but again, the T-Lab is for gravel and the Dedacciai for road, so itís impossible to isolate any given element and interepret its effect for comparison. Both bikes are pretty darn good at their respective disciplines by my accounting, and I donít doubt that, built for the job, either frame material could be just as good or better were the duties reversed.



T-Lab X3 (titanium)

Dedacciai Gladiatore 2 (carbon fiber)
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Old 06-28-22, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by chaadster View Post
Iíve got an Engin seatpost clamp on my T-Lab! 😊

This thread has drifted far from the questions in the OP, but on those matters, while itís hard for me to compare my CF and Ti bikes directly because they are for different purposes, there does seem to be a distinct difference in feel and a substantial difference in weight between the two. On the one hand, the Ti T-Lab seems to feel more smooth, although with 35mm rubber at 75psi compared to the 25mm rubber at 100psi on the carbon fiber Dedacciai, that could be wholly down to the tire setup, but I donít know. With regards to weight, the titanium T-Lab weighs in at 19.1lbs with pedals and cages, while the CF Dedacciai is three pounds lighter at 16.1lbs with the same equipment.

The weight doesnít seem to be noticeable while riding, but again, the T-Lab is for gravel and the Dedacciai for road, so itís impossible to isolate any given element and interepret its effect for comparison. Both bikes are pretty darn good at their respective disciplines by my accounting, and I donít doubt that, built for the job, either frame material could be just as good or better were the duties reversed.



T-Lab X3 (titanium)

Dedacciai Gladiatore 2 (carbon fiber)
Been looking at a T-Lab R3 Omni... Have you been happy with your T-Lab? Basically have a chance to pick up a full Ultegra R8100 build on the R3 Omni. I'm cross shopping that with a Moots Vamoots RCS and the Moots is several grand more than the T-Lab. Also been cross-shopping with a TIME ADHX bike. Additional thoughts on your T-Lab would be welcome... Thanks.
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Old 06-29-22, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Caliwild View Post
Been looking at a T-Lab R3 Omni... Have you been happy with your T-Lab? Basically have a chance to pick up a full Ultegra R8100 build on the R3 Omni. I'm cross shopping that with a Moots Vamoots RCS and the Moots is several grand more than the T-Lab. Also been cross-shopping with a TIME ADHX bike. Additional thoughts on your T-Lab would be welcome... Thanks.
Yeah, the T-Lab X3 is a great gravel bike! Itís a really predictable and stable handler, without any quirks, and just easy to ride. Even when I feel like Iím near the edge of grip and really loading up the bike through a turn, if I have to hit a pothole or washboard, it doesnít upset the bike at alló no wiggle or wanderó and it just keeps tracking as grip allows. So I guess itís stiffó Iím 245lbs, so I put stress on itó but it feels comfy and smooth, even with just 35c on it.

Beyond the accurate cornering, it responds to accelerations immediately and climbs well, even with slick, file tread rubber, if I remain seated. The stays are relatively short at 425mm and the BB height is tall, so being barrel-chested and tall-ish at 6í1Ē, my weight transfer point is high and forward, making the shift to standing pretty dramatic.

I have the stock X3 geo and for gravel, have no complaints, as it seems fast and competent. Trucking along on pavement, I do feel like thereís too much motion in the steering for me, as in the sense that the front wheel feels like it wants to turn really easily and the width of the straight ahead stability band is pretty narrow; maybe thatís the wheel flop dimension in combination with the short BB drop? I dunno, and it seems contrary to what Iíd think would be great for graveló i.e. stability vs. reactivityó but in any case itís overall a little too imprecise on pavement to be the all-arounder I thought it might be. Iím not disappointed for that, though, and in fact was rather surprised, because it elevated my gravel experience beyond what I had imagined based on years of running a fairly classic road geo frame that could only squeeze 30c (a Kinesis Racelight 4S), and I also have road bikes for other road riding types, so itís all fine and good!

The R3 Omni, with shorter stays and steeper HTA, is probably the all-arounder I was imagining the X3 would be as an upgraded replacement for the Kinesis as a gravel/spring/winter roadie, and were I looking to thin the stable, thatís one way Iíd do it. As a said, though, the X3 has proved to be a delight, and has easily earned a place in the herd as my main gravel rig, racy and ready to do whatever I dare tackle.

I hope thatís helpful. Hereís the current setup on the bike; I swapped out the Force AXS calipers for Hope RS4+ and went with a more curvy and pocketed San Marco Shortfit Racing saddle over the more flat Fizik Vento Argo (or was it Tempo Argo? I forget). Rubber is 42mm Ultradynamico Rosť JFF.

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Originally Posted by chaadster View Post
Yeah, the T-Lab X3 is a great gravel bike! Itís a really predictable and stable handler, without any quirks, and just easy to ride. Even when I feel like Iím near the edge of grip and really loading up the bike through a turn, if I have to hit a pothole or washboard, it doesnít upset the bike at alló no wiggle or wanderó and it just keeps tracking as grip allows. So I guess itís stiffó Iím 245lbs, so I put stress on itó but it feels comfy and smooth, even with just 35c on it.

Beyond the accurate cornering, it responds to accelerations immediately and climbs well, even with slick, file tread rubber, if I remain seated. The stays are relatively short at 425mm and the BB height is tall, so being barrel-chested and tall-ish at 6í1Ē, my weight transfer point is high and forward, making the shift to standing pretty dramatic.

I have the stock X3 geo and for gravel, have no complaints, as it seems fast and competent. Trucking along on pavement, I do feel like thereís too much motion in the steering for me, as in the sense that the front wheel feels like it wants to turn really easily and the width of the straight ahead stability band is pretty narrow; maybe thatís the wheel flop dimension in combination with the short BB drop? I dunno, and it seems contrary to what Iíd think would be great for graveló i.e. stability vs. reactivityó but in any case itís overall a little too imprecise on pavement to be the all-arounder I thought it might be. Iím not disappointed for that, though, and in fact was rather surprised, because it elevated my gravel experience beyond what I had imagined based on years of running a fairly classic road geo frame that could only squeeze 30c (a Kinesis Racelight 4S), and I also have road bikes for other road riding types, so itís all fine and good!

The R3 Omni, with shorter stays and steeper HTA, is probably the all-arounder I was imagining the X3 would be as an upgraded replacement for the Kinesis as a gravel/spring/winter roadie, and were I looking to thin the stable, thatís one way Iíd do it. As a said, though, the X3 has proved to be a delight, and has easily earned a place in the herd as my main gravel rig, racy and ready to do whatever I dare tackle.

I hope thatís helpful. Hereís the current setup on the bike; I swapped out the Force AXS calipers for Hope RS4+ and went with a more curvy and pocketed San Marco Shortfit Racing saddle over the more flat Fizik Vento Argo (or was it Tempo Argo? I forget). Rubber is 42mm Ultradynamico Rosť JFF.

Thanks for the detailed response! Well, it sure looks good too... My dilemma is I'm trying to decide between a Moots (Routt RSL or Vamoots RCS), one of the T-Lab bikes, a Time ADHX, or simply upgrading my Ibis Hakka with new Ultegra, GRX or Ekar (I can't stand the 1x Rival group on there now)... I love the Moots bikes but, man, are they pricey... Not sure I can justify it....
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Affordable Ti - £500!



Before anyone poo-poos them, these are Waltly frames that were designed by Mark Reilly

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Originally Posted by Caliwild View Post
Thanks for the detailed response! Well, it sure looks good too... My dilemma is I'm trying to decide between a Moots (Routt RSL or Vamoots RCS), one of the T-Lab bikes, a Time ADHX, or simply upgrading my Ibis Hakka with new Ultegra, GRX or Ekar (I can't stand the 1x Rival group on there now)... I love the Moots bikes but, man, are they pricey... Not sure I can justify it....
You donít really need to justify bike buys; itís never a bike that does someone in, itís always something like a too fancy house, an expensive boat, or a luxury car, but never a bike. So get whichever bike you really want, because once you buy it, thatís it: no gas, no property taxes, no marina fees, no lawncare, no oil or sparkplug changesÖ
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Originally Posted by chaadster View Post
You donít really need to justify bike buys; itís never a bike that does someone in, itís always something like a too fancy house, an expensive boat, or a luxury car, but never a bike. So get whichever bike you really want, because once you buy it, thatís it: no gas, no property taxes, no marina fees, no lawncare, no oil or sparkplug changesÖ
I like the way you think! Thanks... I'll pull the trigger on one soon...
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Affordable Ti - £500!



Before anyone poo-poos them, these are Waltly frames that were designed by Mark Reilly
Oooh, the geometry on that looks sick!
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Originally Posted by wheelingmike View Post
Hey guys. I want to ask the people that owns both titanium and carbon bikes to see what are the differences, which one they ride the most, and why. I have been riding a 2015 Cervelo R3 for a few years now and I'm itching for a new bike. Absolutely love the R3 and will not be getting rid of it. I'm looking hard at a Lynskey Helix Sports with Di2 and would like some real life feedbacks. Thanks!
My CF just disappears under me -- very responsive and smooth. The Ti I ride was constructed to avoid BB flex (often a complaint in the early days of Ti) and is very nice on smoother roads, but otherwise the roughest road bike I own. On rainy days or salty roads, the Ti is the smoothest bike I ride.
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