Tubeless Tires on Road bike. Yuck!
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Yeah not sure about squishing the tire and such....but you'll get it figured out. It really is simple once you get it. If I lived near you I would help you out.
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Why someone wants to disassemble their bike to swap tubes on the side of a road every time they run over a staple is beyond me. But to each their own.
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On the "why would anyone" bit... For the number of flats I have had with a tube (1 in the last 5 years or so) I have absolutely had to do way more for the tubeless systems I have ran than for any tube.
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Then you haven't done much tubeless then. As a shop owner I have run into piles of combinations that took some finesse even with a compressor that were absolutely impossible with a regular floor pump. One of the tubeless ones with a chamber can usually get the job done.
On the "why would anyone" bit... For the number of flats I have had with a tube (1 in the last 5 years or so) I have absolutely had to do way more for the tubeless systems I have ran than for any tube.
On the "why would anyone" bit... For the number of flats I have had with a tube (1 in the last 5 years or so) I have absolutely had to do way more for the tubeless systems I have ran than for any tube.
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I see it both ways now. Tubeless def has its advantages. If I do get a flat on the road….I’ll simply throw a tube in and inflate and be on my way. It’ll obv be not different than if I get a flat with a tubes setup. I bought a CO2 inflator head and CO2 cartridges, so roadside repair should be easy peasy. I also have a mini pump.
The extra “hassle” will be at home…getting the tire re-seated after repairing the tire. I’ll either just bring the wheel to work and use the compressor…or maybe I’ll pickup a pancake compressor. Would probably come in handy for other inflation needs at home.
im loving the 32mm tires. I ran 28mm Conti 4-seasons on my Felt, but they barely cleared the frame….so I went down to 25mm.
The 28mm tires aren’t being used, so I can always mount them (w/tubes for course) on my Defy should I have some catastrophic failure with the Fondas.
The extra “hassle” will be at home…getting the tire re-seated after repairing the tire. I’ll either just bring the wheel to work and use the compressor…or maybe I’ll pickup a pancake compressor. Would probably come in handy for other inflation needs at home.
im loving the 32mm tires. I ran 28mm Conti 4-seasons on my Felt, but they barely cleared the frame….so I went down to 25mm.
The 28mm tires aren’t being used, so I can always mount them (w/tubes for course) on my Defy should I have some catastrophic failure with the Fondas.
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The thing you have to consider with compressors is it needs a high pressure blast with some tires vs. just having a constant flow at lower pressure or a slow build up of pressure. Removing the core helps but can be problematic replacing it in time for tires that come unseated easily. I know the compressor at my bike shop could not seat a tire that my Leyzene could. I can get the Leyzene up to 200psi before I release it. Anyway just some random thoughts.
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The thing you have to consider with compressors is it needs a high pressure blast with some tires vs. just having a constant flow at lower pressure or a slow build up of pressure. Removing the core helps but can be problematic replacing it in time for tires that come unseated easily. I know the compressor at my bike shop could not seat a tire that my Leyzene could. I can get the Leyzene up to 200psi before I release it. Anyway just some random thoughts.
The big diff between the 2 is that I don’t have to manually pump up pressure between blasts when using a compressor. Took me multiple attempts even using the compressor at work. After pumping the AirShot for a few attempts….I tired of the hassle in a hurry.
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Agreed. Using a high pressure nozzle with the compressor will/would give the blast needed. Compressors don’t just air up things slowly obviously…it all depends on what nozzle you use.
The big diff between the 2 is that I don’t have to manually pump up pressure between blasts when using a compressor. Took me multiple attempts even using the compressor at work. After pumping the AirShot for a few attempts….I tired of the hassle in a hurry.
The big diff between the 2 is that I don’t have to manually pump up pressure between blasts when using a compressor. Took me multiple attempts even using the compressor at work. After pumping the AirShot for a few attempts….I tired of the hassle in a hurry.
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I see it both ways now. Tubeless def has its advantages. If I do get a flat on the road….I’ll simply throw a tube in and inflate and be on my way. It’ll obv be not different than if I get a flat with a tubes setup. I bought a CO2 inflator head and CO2 cartridges, so roadside repair should be easy peasy. I also have a mini pump.
The extra “hassle” will be at home…getting the tire re-seated after repairing the tire. I’ll either just bring the wheel to work and use the compressor…or maybe I’ll pickup a pancake compressor. Would probably come in handy for other inflation needs at home.
im loving the 32mm tires. I ran 28mm Conti 4-seasons on my Felt, but they barely cleared the frame….so I went down to 25mm.
The 28mm tires aren’t being used, so I can always mount them (w/tubes for course) on my Defy should I have some catastrophic failure with the Fondas.
The extra “hassle” will be at home…getting the tire re-seated after repairing the tire. I’ll either just bring the wheel to work and use the compressor…or maybe I’ll pickup a pancake compressor. Would probably come in handy for other inflation needs at home.
im loving the 32mm tires. I ran 28mm Conti 4-seasons on my Felt, but they barely cleared the frame….so I went down to 25mm.
The 28mm tires aren’t being used, so I can always mount them (w/tubes for course) on my Defy should I have some catastrophic failure with the Fondas.
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That's... odd. What sealant was this? I've only ever used Orange Seal (no reason to change), but it'll peel off of the inside of any tire that I've ever used. so I can't imagine that kind of bonding.
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That reminds me, I need to order more orange seal.
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Some remnants of it still remain on my garage floor. Never again. Ironic that a company dedicated to tubeless turned me away from it.
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Yeah Stans has no place in road. I get so many customers that love it for mtb and I can't tell how much of that is just nostalgia or if it somehow actually performs in those applications but for road it just has never really worked. Yet at the distributors they blow through pallets of it as soon as it hits their warehouse.
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I gotta agree.
I tried Schwalbe Pro One's, and although I really liked the smoothness of the ride, I grew tired of cleaning sealant off my frame after most rides.
The tires got small holes on almost every ride, but sealed up right away. They just made a mess of my bike.
I hate to think of how difficult it would be if I had to put in a tube on the road.
I went back to tubes.
Next I'll try the Aerothan lightweight tubes.
No more road tubeless for me.
I tried Schwalbe Pro One's, and although I really liked the smoothness of the ride, I grew tired of cleaning sealant off my frame after most rides.
The tires got small holes on almost every ride, but sealed up right away. They just made a mess of my bike.
I hate to think of how difficult it would be if I had to put in a tube on the road.
I went back to tubes.
Next I'll try the Aerothan lightweight tubes.
No more road tubeless for me.
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I gotta agree.
I tried Schwalbe Pro One's, and although I really liked the smoothness of the ride, I grew tired of cleaning sealant off my frame after most rides.
The tires got small holes on almost every ride, but sealed up right away. They just made a mess of my bike.
I hate to think of how difficult it would be if I had to put in a tube on the road.
I went back to tubes.
Next I'll try the Aerothan lightweight tubes.
No more road tubeless for me.
I tried Schwalbe Pro One's, and although I really liked the smoothness of the ride, I grew tired of cleaning sealant off my frame after most rides.
The tires got small holes on almost every ride, but sealed up right away. They just made a mess of my bike.
I hate to think of how difficult it would be if I had to put in a tube on the road.
I went back to tubes.
Next I'll try the Aerothan lightweight tubes.
No more road tubeless for me.
do you ride in crappy areas or did you find that the Schwalbes aren’t really that puncture resistant? The Aerothan tubes have piqued my interest as well
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Some people here love their tubeless product. I have always chalked that up to them being one of the first and having the longest amount of time for refinement. The other side of that coin though is that the higher quality tire companies stayed out of tubeless because they knew all of the problems that existed. They are now coming into the tubeless game and have much better product stemming from their long experience producing better quality tires.
In other words I see Schwalbe getting credit for being willing to be the kid who throws the cooking pot on their head and storms across the trenches into the face of overwhelming opposition while the rest of them stood back and watched and took notes.
YMMV - quite literally.
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Yeah Stans has no place in road. I get so many customers that love it for mtb and I can't tell how much of that is just nostalgia or if it somehow actually performs in those applications but for road it just has never really worked. Yet at the distributors they blow through pallets of it as soon as it hits their warehouse.
My personal use would be inside a latex tube, something to keep me rolling on my more remote rides.
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Orange Seal Endurance formula. We use it exclusively.
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I gotta agree.
I tried Schwalbe Pro One's, and although I really liked the smoothness of the ride, I grew tired of cleaning sealant off my frame after most rides.
The tires got small holes on almost every ride, but sealed up right away. They just made a mess of my bike.
I hate to think of how difficult it would be if I had to put in a tube on the road.
I went back to tubes.
Next I'll try the Aerothan lightweight tubes.
No more road tubeless for me.
I tried Schwalbe Pro One's, and although I really liked the smoothness of the ride, I grew tired of cleaning sealant off my frame after most rides.
The tires got small holes on almost every ride, but sealed up right away. They just made a mess of my bike.
I hate to think of how difficult it would be if I had to put in a tube on the road.
I went back to tubes.
Next I'll try the Aerothan lightweight tubes.
No more road tubeless for me.