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Old 12-24-23, 08:07 AM
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Considering 2021 TCR Advanced

Brand new 2 year old TCR Advanced are going for quite cheap. I'm looking to get a 2021 Advanced 2 Disc with Shimano 105, sell the 105 on it, and upgrade to SRAM AXS and carbon hoops. I don't want the SL since I don't want the ISP and don't mind the 1000g Advanced frame and fork.

With selling the old parts and upgrading to AXS and hoops I think I can end up paying $4,500 for everything.

Any thoughts on going with such build?
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Old 12-24-23, 08:49 AM
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It should work just fine. I've done similarly, first with NOS Cinelli Superstar frames, then with 2022 Yoeleo R12 frames, with integrated bars and seat post for $1215 each. I use Shimano GRX cranks for more range. BTLOS wheels for around $800 are hard to beat. I've got a partial Force AXS group still in it's box listed in the market place. Just what you need. Also have lightly used 10-33 and 10-36 cassettes.

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Originally Posted by DaveSSS
It should work just fine. I've done similarly, first with NOS Cinelli Superstar frames, then with 2022 Yoeleo R12 frames, with integrated bars and seat post for $1215 each. I use Shimano GRX cranks for more range. BTLOS wheels for around $800 are hard to beat. I've got a partial Force AXS group still in it's box listed in the market place. Just what you need. Also have lightly used 10-33 and 10-36 cassettes.
What do you think about the fact that the TCR frame is not fully integrated? Can you send me a private message with links to what you're selling?
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Why not just buy a brand new TCR ADVANCED DISC 1+ AR for $4000 with SRAM Rival eTap AXS hydraulic?
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Originally Posted by Iride01
Why not just buy a brand new TCR ADVANCED DISC 1+ AR for $4000 with SRAM Rival eTap AXS hydraulic?
I didn't think of that. I want at least SRAM force. Plus not sure how nice the SLR2 wheelsst is.
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Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus
I didn't think of that. I want at least SRAM force. Plus not sure how nice the SLR2 wheelsst is.
Have you any experience with "good" wheelsets? Usually the wheelsets that Giant, Specialized, Trek, Cannondale and other brands put on a bike are appropriate for the price tier level of the model you are looking at. I'd seriously doubt that it's a wheelset that is going to ruin your riding experience.
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Originally Posted by Iride01
Have you any experience with "good" wheelsets? Usually the wheelsets that Giant, Specialized, Trek, Cannondale and other brands put on a bike are appropriate for the price tier level of the model you are looking at. I'd seriously doubt that it's a wheelset that is going to ruin your riding experience.
I do. Most of my road and MTB wheelsst and lightweight carbon. The SLR2 is a little heavier than the SLR1. I was thinking of building with the SLR1.
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If you really want the stuff you want, then your idea in your op is okay. But I wouldn't go that route if I had to depend on the sale of the components I'm removing to fund the expenses I'm paying to get more closer to exactly what I want. You might well be able to sell the take-off's at a premium price, but you also may not be able to. So if you can easily afford to lighten your wallet that much and not have to recover some of the price of what you added, then go for it.

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Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus
What do you think about the fact that the TCR frame is not fully integrated? Can you send me a private message with links to what you're selling?
​​ Here's a link to my ad. SRAM Force partial group

Integrated or not isn't an issue as far as componentry is involved. The problem with integrated is the stem length. prebuilts always have a stem length that's shorter than I would choose. With Yoeleo frames, I could pick the length. Stem angle is also limited, so I picked a frame stack height that would work with the -7 degree. My Cinelli bikes use a -17.
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Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus
With selling the old parts and upgrading to AXS and hoops I think I can end up paying $4,500 for everything.
How much is the bike before the upgrades?
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
How much is the bike before the upgrades?
Stock TCR with 105 is $2000. I can sell the 105 and wheelset for about 500 .

SLR1 wheelset is 1000 and Force AXS D2 around 2000.

So 2000 + 1000 + 2000 - 500 = 4500
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For the last few days I've been riding the TCX Advanced disc with the stock PR-2 wheels. 32mm Conti GP5000 tires, and a Shimano 105/Ultegra mix.

Bike is a boat anchor, as it comes in at 19 pounds. The wheels are particularly heavy. The handling is neutral and predictable. Good bike for riding gravel on the flats I guess.

For riding on the road, I would gladly swap this for the TCR Advanced 2 KOM (rim brakes), if you can find them. Would save many pounds of weight and thousands of $ in purchase price.
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More: the cable routing on the Giant was a PITA, but a lot less than a bike with fully integrated routing. It took me over an hour to fish the rear derailleur cable through the right chainstay, and because the plastic ferrule then broke through the exit hole, I spent another fruitless hour trying to fish it out and re-install with a stronger ferrule. I would pay an extra $1 grand for a bike with full external routing.

Nevertheless, it could be worse, as with fully integrated routing and hydraulics, you could be faced with 3+ hours of hell to swap out a stem, and having to hand a customer a $300 service bill for a job that should take 10 minutes.
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Originally Posted by Dave Mayer
For the last few days I've been riding the TCX Advanced disc with the stock PR-2 wheels. 32mm Conti GP5000 tires, and a Shimano 105/Ultegra mix.

Bike is a boat anchor, as it comes in at 19 pounds. The wheels are particularly heavy. The handling is neutral and predictable. Good bike for riding gravel on the flats I guess.

For riding on the road, I would gladly swap this for the TCR Advanced 2 KOM (rim brakes), if you can find them. Would save many pounds of weight and thousands of $ in purchase price.
Swapping wheelset and tires will easily drop 3lbs off the TCR. Luckily not worries about fishing wires since I'm going wireless AXS.
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Great feedback so far. Off topic, any idea how much my 2011 Jamis Xenith Team with di2 Dura Ace and Reynolds Carbon 46/66 wheels would be worth if tried to sell it?
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I've built up two bikes with integrated bars and full internal hose routing, plus just changed to a newer integrated bar on one bike. It's really not that difficult, but it's easier with shift/brake levers that have calipers already hooked up with plenty of excess hose. I cut the hoses at the calipers and insert a short piece of 12 gauge copper wire to prevent fluid leakage. I route the hoses through the bar/stem first, then mount the levers onto the bar, then route the hoses into the frame. Most frames come with thin walled plastic tube pre-installed, so it's not very difficult to route the hose through the upper headset bearing and through the down tube. At the BB, the guide tubing is taped to the hose and pulled in. The front requires no guide. All you do is shove the hose into the hole in the side of the steering tube and push it through. AXS makes the build a lot easier, with no shift cables to install.
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When I changed bars, there was very little excess hose, which makes it tricky to hold the bars up close to the head tube and push the hose into the hole in the steering tube. A helper would be handy, but a short step ladder was my helper.

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Originally Posted by Dave Mayer
For the last few days I've been riding the TCX Advanced disc with the stock PR-2 wheels. 32mm Conti GP5000 tires, and a Shimano 105/Ultegra mix.

Bike is a boat anchor, as it comes in at 19 pounds. The wheels are particularly heavy. The handling is neutral and predictable. Good bike for riding gravel on the flats I guess.

For riding on the road, I would gladly swap this for the TCR Advanced 2 KOM (rim brakes), if you can find them. Would save many pounds of weight and thousands of $ in purchase price.
Weren't you just casting aspersions on going with lighter wheels?

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I'm considering either 50mm or 65mm rim depths. The weight difference between the wheelset is only 100g. Thoughts on the depth if the weight difference is so low?
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What sort of riding do you do? I wouldn’t put 65s on a climbing bike or anywhere there’s likely to be decent crosswinds.
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Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus
I'm considering either 50mm or 65mm rim depths. The weight difference between the wheelset is only 100g. Thoughts on the depth if the weight difference is so low?
It really comes down to aero gain vs crosswind stability. 50 mm should be a good all rounder in respect of both. The weight difference is insignificant.
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Originally Posted by PeteHski
It really comes down to aero gain vs crosswind stability. 50 mm should be a good all rounder in respect of both. The weight difference is insignificant.
I ordered the 50mm
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2021 TCR Advanced frame
SRAM AXS Force D2
Elite Wheels Edge 50




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Assume you ride pretty flat roads?

What’s that, a 42/34 smallest gear?
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Originally Posted by choddo
assume you ride pretty flat roads?

What’s that, a 42/34 smallest gear?
42 - 10/33
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Originally Posted by choddo
Assume you ride pretty flat roads?

What’s that, a 42/34 smallest gear?
I could go 10-36 but would lose one small jump in the smaller cogs. I might try that at some point.
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