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Being poor keeps me grounded😁

Old 02-23-24, 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Jughed
Yep, its costly. And no - I'm not footing the majority of those bills, but they are still keeping me "poor!!".

Daughter A - 85k per year all in - room, board, food, tuition... small private "art" school. 5 year masters program. 40k per year scholarship takes a big chunk, family money takes a chunk, then we pay a chunk.
Daughter B - 55k per year for a state school, in a different state so the prices are inflated. Same as above, scholarship, family money...

Daughter B declined to apply for Ivy League schools. She is qualified but didn't want the stress. She may go on to Whorton @ U-Penn (Ivy league) for her MBA - $122k++ per year. She did apply to St Andrews in Scotland as a long shot school - that would have cost us plenty!!!! 80k++ per year plus all the travel costs.
Yeah foreign students keep the system afloat basically. All my son’s friends at Uni from other countries are of course minted and generally really talented. One guy from the US though, thought he could get away with doing bugger all at Oxford because he was paying so much. Got kicked out after the first year 😆
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Originally Posted by Jughed
Academics are the reason for my “poor” state at this moment!!

2 kids in college - 130k per year++, and one more on his way in a few years.
Originally Posted by choddo
Christ almighty your education system is expensive
Just understand that those prices are not at all typical of US higher education costs...and from Jughed 's followup post, it's not clear that he/she is actually paying that much or whether financial aid covers part of it.
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College tuition rates are a little bit like hospital bills -- the numbers look outrageous, but they often get "repriced".
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
Santa Fe is one of our favorite cities -- we visit it several times a year.
All three are nice places to live. Perhaps an anecdote would illuminate.

At my last visit to my dentist in Santa Fe, I was explaining to the receptionist that I don't usually wear my dentures. I said that I didn't know how that would go here in Santa Fe, but in Española, nobody looks twice. She laughed out loud, then covered her mouth and apologized. I assured her that I was not offended, with a smile.
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Originally Posted by Fredo76
All three are nice places to live. Perhaps an anecdote would illuminate.

At my last visit to my dentist in Santa Fe, I was explaining to the receptionist that I don't usually wear my dentures. I said that I didn't know how that would go here in Santa Fe, but in Española, nobody looks twice. She laughed out loud, then covered her mouth and apologized. I assured her that I was not offended, with a smile.
You're right, Santa Fe is clearly full of ego-maniacs.
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
You're right, Santa Fe is clearly full of ego-maniacs.
Nah, it just has more than it's share, like I said. Get it right.
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Old 02-23-24, 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Fredo76
Nah, it just has more than it's share, like I said. Get it right.
Your anecdote makes so much more sense with that distinction.
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Originally Posted by SoSmellyAir
Now reading scholarly debate about the translation from the Chinese text, which itself may be derived from Sanskrit.
Well, since Buddha was Indian, and the language of all the early writings (500 years after his passing) was Sanskrit ....) Buddhism had already lived and died in India before it got to China in what, 200 BC -- 200 CE? And Bodhidharma didn't start his Zen stuff until 500-600 CE?

Desire is the cause of suffering, is where I think it started.

I don't remember. That was a long time ago.
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I see many parallels between cycling and photography. Both have a large number of dentists involved with each activity. It's a good idea to make friends with them for the dental care and the ability to buy well cared hand-me-downs for heavily discounted prices!
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Originally Posted by Maelochs
Well, since Buddha was Indian, and the language of all the early writings (500 years after his passing) was Sanskrit ....) Buddhism had already lived and died in India before it got to China in what, 200 BC -- 200 CE? And Bodhidharma didn't start his Zen stuff until 500-600 CE?

Desire is the cause of suffering, is where I think it started.
Yes, but I don't read Sanskrit, and so cannot follow any debate about the first translation from Sanskrit to Chinese. The Chinese character at issue may be better translated as "attachment" or even "distraction" rather than "desire". Regardless, what is attachment if not a desire held for a duration?

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I see many parallels between cycling and photography. Both have a large number of dentists involved with each activity. It's a good idea to make friends with them for the dental care and the ability to buy well cared hand-me-downs for heavily discounted prices!
The few dentists I know are more into golf than either cycling or photography.
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"Attachment" is a popular translation .... any thing to which you are emotionally or mentally attached .... of course ... "No Dharma is definitive," so the precision of the translation is moot ...
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Well, I didn't think I'd need to clarify my point but.....

​​​.....

I have learned over the years to gauge my purchases by need and to temper my "wants"

None of this means that I am anti new tech or a luddite.

I have been cycling for many years and never raced...really never did any serious training. I just ride for fun and exercise.

As such, I have learned to be happy with a quality aluminum frame and mid level co oinents like Shimano Tiagra or 105. For my riding I need no more than this

I don't need disc brakes but, I am also not so naive and to refuse that that is where the future is.

Now, do I WANT a shiny new bike with a carbon frame, electronic shifting, hydraulic disc brakes, etc.?
Yes

​​​​​​Will I buy one? Probably not. I'd prefer to use the extra cash to travel

I do not have a lot of discretionary income and, at age 63, I'm quite happy with the level of bike I have

I hope that clears up any issues.

I intended no flame wat
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Originally Posted by baj32161
None of this means that I am qjti hew 53ch …
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That’s what they all say.
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
That’s what they all say.
Sorry ..fixed the typos (didn't have my glasses on&#128513
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Originally Posted by SoSmellyAir
The few dentists I know are more into golf than either cycling or photography.
I've bought/sold a bunch of gear to dentists. The good thing about them is when selling, their equipment is well kept. They price low to sell and generally don't haggle price when buying. They're my favorite career occupation to deal with!
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Dear Abby,

My dentist is into cycling, but his bike doesn't cost as much as mine. Should I say something to him, or should I just find another dentist with a better bike?

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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
Dear Abby,

My dentist is into cycling, but his bike doesn't cost as much as mine. Should I say something to him, or should I just find another dentist with a better bike?

Signed,
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After all the money I've spent on these teeth, my dentist had damn well better have a great bike.
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I knew a dentist who had a Serrota ti with Campy back in the ‘90s. Talk about cliche.
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Money helps but learning to be or being happy as hell, is priceless.
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Originally Posted by baj32161
Well, I didn't think I'd need to clarify my point but.....

​​​.....

I have learned over the years to gauge my purchases by need and to temper my "wants"

None of this means that I am anti new tech or a luddite.

I have been cycling for many years and never raced...really never did any serious training. I just ride for fun and exercise.

As such, I have learned to be happy with a quality aluminum frame and mid level co oinents like Shimano Tiagra or 105. For my riding I need no more than this

I don't need disc brakes but, I am also not so naive and to refuse that that is where the future is.

Now, do I WANT a shiny new bike with a carbon frame, electronic shifting, hydraulic disc brakes, etc.?
Yes

​​​​​​Will I buy one? Probably not. I'd prefer to use the extra cash to travel

I do not have a lot of discretionary income and, at age 63, I'm quite happy with the level of bike I have

I hope that clears up any issues.

I intended no flame wat
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I appreciate your candidness. Don’t find a lot of people speaking from the soul and found it very refreshing. All the best.
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Once the basics are taken care of with a little extra for travel and fun, any more money has diminishing returns on happiness. At this point in my life (60+) time is much more important than more money.
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Originally Posted by axelwik
Once the basics are taken care of with a little extra for travel and fun, any more money has diminishing returns on happiness. At this point in my life (60+) time is much more important than more money.
But, a lot of extra money can mean a lot of travel and a lot of fun.
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
But, a lot of extra money can mean a lot of travel and a lot of fun.
I have friends who have a LOT of money. I travel just as much as them, but instead of staying in the fancy hotels and hiring people to do everything I do most of the research and planning myself, stay where the locals stay, do more of what I really want to do, and camp when it's appropriate.

When they come home and talk about their experiences it's all about fancy this and fancy that, western ammenities etc., but almost nothing about the culture, local customs (unless they're making fun of it), local street food, or everyday people.

If I wanted to stay in a fancy hotel, eat fancy food, and be insulated from the "unwashed masses" there's plenty of that just a few miles away from home without having to pay airfare.

When I talk about my trips - learning some of the language before leaving, being invited into people's homes, getting to know average people, hitching rides in trucks, buses etc., discovering really cool places on my own, etc. they just can't fathom it.

I've been to more than 50 countries and my way is better, and costs a fraction of what they pay. One does not have to be loaded to have rich travel experiences. Money can't buy everything and tends to insulate one from real experiences; putting a little bit of work into it results in a much "richer" experience.

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Originally Posted by axelwik
I have friends who have a LOT of money. I travel just as much as them, but instead of staying in the fancy hotels and hiring people to do everything I do most of the research and planning myself, stay where the locals stay, do more of what I really want to do, and camp when it's appropriate.

When they come home and talk about their experiences it's all about fancy this and fancy that, western ammenities etc., but almost nothing about the culture, local customs (unless they're making fun of it), local street food, or everyday people.

If I wanted to stay in a fancy hotel, eat fancy food, and be insulated from the "unwashed masses" there's plenty of that just a few miles away from home without having to pay airfare.

When I talk about my trips - learning some of the language before leaving, being invited into people's homes, getting to know average people, hitching rides in trucks, buses etc., discovering really cool places on my own, etc. they just can't fathom it.

I've been to more than 50 countries and my way is better, and costs a fraction of what they pay. One does not have to be loaded to have rich travel experiences. Money can't buy everything and tends to insulate one from real experiences; putting a little bit of work into it results in a much "richer" experience.
One doesn't have to spend the extra money on fancier hotels. One can spend the extra money traveling more often, to more destinations.
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
One doesn't have to spend the extra money on fancier hotels. One can spend the extra money traveling more often, to more destinations.
Most millionaires haven't been to as many places as I have. They're too busy "earning" more and more money.
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