Jersey Doping?
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Dahell? I would think that Pactimo is big enough to not post BS like that
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That is, compared to the measured level of wattage required to overcome the aerodynamic resistance of a tent-like jersey (3% of the total watts being generated, for example), the slipperier Pactimo jersey might indeed give a 26% "boost" (I.e., reduction in the watts needed to overcome the aerodynamic resistance of the jersey).
A boost of 0.26 x 3 watts would mean a reduction of 0.78 watts. (Please check my math. I was an English major.)
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Could be a 26% boost compared to the club jerseys that fit like tents.
That is, compared to the measured level of wattage required to overcome the aerodynamic resistance of a tent-like jersey (3% of the total watts being generated, for example), the slipperier Pactimo jersey might indeed give a 26% "boost" (I.e., reduction in the watts needed to overcome the aerodynamic resistance of the jersey).
A boost of 0.26 x 3 watts would mean a reduction of 0.78 watts. (Please check my math. I was an English major.)
That is, compared to the measured level of wattage required to overcome the aerodynamic resistance of a tent-like jersey (3% of the total watts being generated, for example), the slipperier Pactimo jersey might indeed give a 26% "boost" (I.e., reduction in the watts needed to overcome the aerodynamic resistance of the jersey).
A boost of 0.26 x 3 watts would mean a reduction of 0.78 watts. (Please check my math. I was an English major.)
Let's pick 200 watts, a middle of the road spirited cruising wattage for most amateur cyclists (of varying body weight). Pactimo claims that you can save 50 watts compared to a tent-like jersey I guess, which is freaking huge. But seriously, what kind of jersey are they comparing that to? Like a Hawaiian shirt???
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Their claim isn't based on improved aerodynamics, it's about staying cool and avoiding the performance decrease that comes with riding in high temperatures.
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Jersey doping works. The Wright brothers doped the fabric of their contraptions and they flew. Literally! (Doping - painting a fabric stretched over a framework with shellac. The shellac shrinks the fabric as it dries, leaving a smooth, stiff film. I suspect the jersey, so treated, would be quite aero but a little harder to breath in. Never mind the jersey would have to be peeled off and that might not be fun.
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It's not just idiocy IMO. I've ridden a Pactimo summit jersey on my last few RAMRODs and yes, it did seem better especially than my usual not-skin-tight jerseys in the heat. Makes sense. It can't get rid of heat unless it touches one's skin and is made from a high moisture transfer fabric. 26% does seem a bit high. OTOH I've ridden past folks who had to stop and cool off in the shade. As it is said, there's no lower speed than stopped.
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The math is correct, I'm just not sure what the relevance of 3 watts is?
Let's pick 200 watts, a middle of the road spirited cruising wattage for most amateur cyclists (of varying body weight). Pactimo claims that you can save 50 watts compared to a tent-like jersey I guess, which is freaking huge. But seriously, what kind of jersey are they comparing that to? Like a Hawaiian shirt???
Let's pick 200 watts, a middle of the road spirited cruising wattage for most amateur cyclists (of varying body weight). Pactimo claims that you can save 50 watts compared to a tent-like jersey I guess, which is freaking huge. But seriously, what kind of jersey are they comparing that to? Like a Hawaiian shirt???
But even if the difference in drag between a flappy club and an ideal jersey amounts to 10 watts (which sounds high to me), that would still be 0.26 x 10 = only a 2.6-watt reduction in drag for the Pactimo jersey versus a club-fit jersey. Not nothing, but not much for most of us.
That was all for clarification. The Pactimo claim, as noted in subsequent posts, wasn't based on aerodynamics.
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A brief perusal reveals hand-waving and technobabble. I see no convincing evidence that this improves performance on the bike. It might, but I am quite skeptical. I don’t see the actual study that shows performance improvement and whether it’s a relative or absolute difference.
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If you want to jersey dope, just wear a Camelback - which has proven aero advantages as wind tunnel tested. Dylan Johnson’s videos show the results. Also stuff a bottle down the front of your jersey too for the ultimate dork look and 0.5 Watt advantage.
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I like Pactimo stuff, and have quite a bit, but this claim seems like really creative math by the marketing department.
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Ben Delaney did not get the same results with a same hydro pack Dylan used.
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