Secrets of the SRAM road shifters revealed
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I want them
now.
The sprint shifting is the best part.
I love it when a company comes up with something that is unintentionally awesome (They said they didn't even know you could do it till one of their testers at the USPro discovered it)
now.
The sprint shifting is the best part.
I love it when a company comes up with something that is unintentionally awesome (They said they didn't even know you could do it till one of their testers at the USPro discovered it)
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Call me an idiot if you must, but sprinting/shifting? Why can't you sprint and shift with the Campy? I don't really know about Shimano as I don't have it, but I can sprint and shift with my Campy.
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I really like the ability to shift to a lower gear while braking... cycling's equivalent to heel-and-toe shifting in cars. I wonder if that's feasable with SRAM.
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I think this is the most anticipated innovation in years. I can't wait to try it.
And that's exactly SRAM is trying to do, I guess. Make the would be consumers wait, raising the hype as much as possible will make it a lot easier to sell the products to the bicycle makers instead of existing brand components. This couldn't have been done before Internet existed. In the other industries like digital camera makers have had full use of this in the last year or two.
Folks, we are part of their marketing strategy and I'm glad to be one.
And that's exactly SRAM is trying to do, I guess. Make the would be consumers wait, raising the hype as much as possible will make it a lot easier to sell the products to the bicycle makers instead of existing brand components. This couldn't have been done before Internet existed. In the other industries like digital camera makers have had full use of this in the last year or two.
Folks, we are part of their marketing strategy and I'm glad to be one.
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Originally Posted by dragonflybikes
Call me an idiot if you must, but sprinting/shifting? Why can't you sprint and shift with the Campy? I don't really know about Shimano as I don't have it, but I can sprint and shift with my Campy.
That bottom middle diagram is what's throwing me off. saw the arrow going the other way and for some reason my eyes though the lever was going the other way too.
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I'm looking forward to trying the right-hand shifter... My main complaint about my 105 5500 series shifter is that the inner shift lever feels soft/mushy when dropping to a smaller cassette cog. I wish it had a shorter travel distance and a crisper 'click' feel when it does actuate. I guess that's why people pay the big $$$ for D/A 7800 levers
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Originally Posted by helmets save
I think there would be a lot of guess work for the mulitple gear changes. In addition up shift and down shift seems like a very fine line as in which one will engage. I know there will be a click to tell teh rider when it switches to down shift, but who really has that much time to pay attention when riding.
Agreed, although they say 2007 the "2007" line of bikes will be out in little less than a year now.
I'm most crazy about the dual hidden cables, i've been waiting for a non-campy brifter with this, if shimano doesn't take a hint by 2007, then my money will probably go to sram, cause they'll be on the top of my birthday list 04/17/2007, prices should have started to come down a tad by then i hope, if not i'll have a great excuse to buy a "backup" bike
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Originally Posted by ExMachina
Thanks for the alert walrus,
From the cyclingnews write up:
So unlike earlier specualtion, this sounds like it will behave very close to Shimano--maximum of three cogs 'down' but only one cog at time 'up'...
One cool thing is that it appears the shift lever pivots front-to back as well, so you can hold the lever it against the drop and shift (a little bit, anyway) by just twisting your hand around the drop.
From the cyclingnews write up:
So unlike earlier specualtion, this sounds like it will behave very close to Shimano--maximum of three cogs 'down' but only one cog at time 'up'...
One cool thing is that it appears the shift lever pivots front-to back as well, so you can hold the lever it against the drop and shift (a little bit, anyway) by just twisting your hand around the drop.
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Originally Posted by F1_Fan
I really like the ability to shift to a lower gear while braking... cycling's equivalent to heel-and-toe shifting in cars. I wonder if that's feasable with SRAM.
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I'll be waiting to be a super early owner. I'll have a bike ready and waiting for the parts.
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In my industry, when product is "untouchable" or behind the glass, it means that they don't have a truly workable final product but either a) want to start an early buzz or b) the early buzz was so great that they had to show something or be really embarrassed.
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Originally Posted by duckliondog
I think Campy learned this lesson in the early 90s. A friend of mine went to watch a demo of the first generation of Campy integrated shifters. They had a guy on a bike on roller, surrounded by mechanics, and they couldn't get the prototype levers to work. My friend then became, and remains, a Shimano devotee.
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Originally Posted by duckliondog
I think Campy learned this lesson in the early 90s. A friend of mine went to watch a demo of the first generation of Campy integrated shifters. They had a guy on a bike on roller, surrounded by mechanics, and they couldn't get the prototype levers to work. My friend then became, and remains, a Shimano devotee.
Sounds like your friend is an idiot. It's like using an abacus because you crashed an excel file.
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Originally Posted by ggg300
what about trim?
Sorry, couldn't resist.
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Originally Posted by F1_Fan
I really like the ability to shift to a lower gear while braking... cycling's equivalent to heel-and-toe shifting in cars. I wonder if that's feasable with SRAM.
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this looks awesome! deffinetly sounds like an improvement over the current sti/ergo levers. i just wonder how much the group is gona weigh and cost. oh i want one bad.
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Originally Posted by Eatadonut
I've sprinted and shifted (also, braked and shifted) with my Shimano...so I don't know what they're talking about.
looks like the solved it (at least compared to shimano) by letting you hold the lever against the bars and twist so you dont loose grip.
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the more i see this thread, the madder i get, knowing that what i want exist's but i can't even buy it for at least a year. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I like it when companies just launch a product and start the advertising a month or two before, like alot of movies that aren't considered big box office sellers. That's what they're trying to make the sram brifters... the Episode III of cycling, tease and tease and tease and tease and tease some more..... that's all we've gotten for the past couple months and it's just going to continue for almost another year now.
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Originally Posted by JBar
In my industry, when product is "untouchable" or behind the glass, it means that they don't have a truly workable final product but either a) want to start an early buzz or b) the early buzz was so great that they had to show something or be really embarrassed.
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Not that it really matters, but i'm glad us Americans can have a shot at the shifter market!
I wonder why they're marketing the crankset as SRAM and not truativ. Obviously they want to make it part of a groupset, but wouldn't you have the same company competing with itself, or maybe they're keeping truativ for moutain only.
Are they working on an entry level setup also, or just high end for now? By taking a shot at the low end, they can REALLY give Shimano a run for the money (they usually undercut on price by a significant margin) , and make me happy
I wonder why they're marketing the crankset as SRAM and not truativ. Obviously they want to make it part of a groupset, but wouldn't you have the same company competing with itself, or maybe they're keeping truativ for moutain only.
Are they working on an entry level setup also, or just high end for now? By taking a shot at the low end, they can REALLY give Shimano a run for the money (they usually undercut on price by a significant margin) , and make me happy
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So they are just SRAM STI shifters?
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Originally Posted by EURO
I think it sounds cool. Now all they need to do is price Dura Ace and Record out of the market, making a loss for a couple of years, and let us all get some good equipment.
I don't think that a "better" price will hurt Shimano. There are good reasons that Japanese manufacturers do just fine despite a higher cost in general. This will just push them to *finally* innovate again.
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Originally Posted by sestivers
Ford/Chevy/Dodge cost significantly less than Toyota/Honda/Nissan.
The Pontiac Vibe and the Toyota Matrix are essentially the same car. Same platform, same engine, just different badging. Yet the Matrix costs at least $5,000 less.
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I'm surprised to see so many people excited about these. I saw the design and frankly I think its a bad idea. Yes its nice to have everything in one lever but this setup is way too easy to shift too far in a sprint and end up way spun out. Not to mention the fact that unless you have your own mechanic or are a mechanic its going to take awhile for everything to be worked on properly. Shimano and Campy will be the way to go for awhile yet.