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bassplayinbiker 12-09-05 04:19 PM

As a fellow teenager. I'd say, race the R800.

I've raced for several years (cat 3 WOOT!) and I've wrecked one really nice bike. My suggestion to you is go to

www.supergo.com

and buy 3 scattante XRL frames. Build up one frame with whatever you like and keep the other two (frames) in your room. That way, when you crash (and you will) you can rebuild and keep going.

It's way more economical than to wreck your Giant tcr team and sit out a half season because you couldn't find the dough to replace it. Like I did.

Also, I have said bike with broken zipps, hanging from the tree in front of my house covered in christmas lights.

Hope you like racing.

ovoleg 12-09-05 04:32 PM

Why do you need a Colnago C40 to race?

Need is a strong word.

Why don't you ride the 800 and contribute some of that money to charities?

The rider achieves the win, not the bike...

There is obviously a fine line between need/want. Everyone wants something nice, but do you really need it? Obviously you won't win any races on a Huffy that does not fit you...

Why do you need Centaur? Why do you even need Campy?

But if your parents are paying for everything, I can see why you would need it.

Patriot 12-09-05 05:12 PM

I would rather see the young guys nowadays riding colnagos than doing nothing at all. Like I said, I personally may not ride a C40 for racing, but if you want to, then have at it. If you want to dress it up with some nice cf components, I'd be more than happy to offer some good suggestions. I think everyone else on here would too. :D

Warblade 12-09-05 05:17 PM


Originally Posted by AnthonyG
Heck I built my first racing bike when I was 15. Mind you, that's what everyone did in those days. Custom built frame from 531db, custom built wheels with Dura Ace hubs, DA derraliers and 600ex cranks. Mind you Dura Ace was cheaper in those days.

It's fun anyway. You can make your own decisions about what you like and what fits and for better or worse you less likely to think of your bike as an easily disposable commodity.

Regards, Anthony

Shimano makes sh*tty hubs.

BillyD 12-09-05 05:33 PM

Let's not forget, young fella . . . . you're not truly OCP unless you're posing.

Some people have the nicest bike in the world, but they're not OCP.

You can train and ride and race as much and as hard as you want, but that has nothing to do with it.

You have to spend some quality time POSING to be OCP. So in between your riding and racing, set aside some time to work on your posing skills, at a Seven-Eleven for instance, chillin' with a bottle of Yohoo or Gatorade. Ride as hard as you want in between posing, but make sure when you take a break you work on your posing skills too.

Cause posing don't come easy!!
:D

Patriot 12-09-05 05:38 PM

The key is to ride hard, then pose while minimizing the visible sweat and hard breathing. Looking relaxed is difficult as well, especially after using up all your glycogen, and the bonk is near. Remember, it takes enormous disciplinary skills to look good while under stress. Only the finest of all poseurs can achieve such status.

ovoleg 12-09-05 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by Patriot
I would rather see the young guys nowadays riding colnagos than doing nothing at all.

Although I agree, I rather have my kids earn it on their accord. I guess this is similar to 16 year olds driving escalades and CLK's, except it involves bikes.

As I've said before, need is a strong word and really is most of the time a want. You need to eat, you need to sleep, you need to study, you need to drink, and you need to earn your wants. At least that is my opinion.

That way, they appreciate the things that they have. I know that I abused everything that I got for free, but anything that I trully paid for---I treated it well.

In any case, go with the Colnago and treat it well. Remember to at least thank your parents and be nice to them.

Good luck

Patriot 12-09-05 05:53 PM

I'm with you. I worked for everything I wanted as a teen. So, earning the nice bike for this young lad will be a great accomplishment for him.

On another note, as much as kids don't learn self-sufficiency by being spoon fed, I will also say that if parents are going to spoil them, then I would rather them ride a Colnago, than an Escalade. They may be spoiled, but at least they'll be healthy.

alraicercsu 12-09-05 06:18 PM


Originally Posted by scarpi41
ok, im 16, would you call me alittle OCP if i was building a colnago c40? ive been riding for 4 years and had a good starter bike.trek 1000. then made my way up to a cdale r800(show us ur cannondale thread), now i wanna race, and wanna upgrade my bike. I got the frame for christmas, but am paying for all the parts and accesories. Would you concider me OCP?

No not OCP, I would say you were if you had to get a kit that matched your paint job. I wouldn't want to crash the c40 in a crit but that is also what the bike is ment for. Check to see what colnago does for replacement frames. Good luck to your racing.

hairyleg 12-09-05 06:22 PM


Originally Posted by 55/Rad
At the same time, stating that you don't think it will be OCP because it's gonna be put to good use assumes that people who consider themselves OCP don't ride or put their nice bikes to good use - which is completely wrong. We may not race but we ride the hell out of our bikes.
55/Rad

oops, sorry, I thought OCP qualifications called for a total lack of decent use of the bike.
If you actually ride it, then ride on. Just don't get the idea that a better bike will really make that much difference. (unless your current ride is REALLY bad, or you are cat3+)

BillyD 12-09-05 06:59 PM


Originally Posted by hairyleg
oops, sorry, I thought OCP qualifications called for a total lack of decent use of the bike.

Naw, a lot of people make that mistake. These guys ride plenty. I don't, cause I'm old, but the rest do.

The trick is to blend the posing in, in the right places and to just the right proportions. The best poseurs ride early then come out later to pose when there are more people around. There's all kind of tricks.

Posing ain't easy . . . it's an art!

bbattle 12-09-05 07:14 PM

Word, I must ride past that coffee shop 50 times but do I stop? No siree, I'm chugging back up Pratt Ave. and on up Monte Sano mountain. Then it's back down the mountain, weeeeeeee! and to the Five Points intersection for more trackstanding practice. No better motivation than cagers from all sides watching you. Good thing I can unclip real fast.

But I've got the Orbea with the trick paint job, the Oakley's, the Giro Atmos helmet that matches the bike, the Team Jelly Belly jersey(because they ride Orbea's too). And I go into the local BP to get my six-pack of Guinness while wearing the spandex, too. That's OCP. :D

jbhowat 12-09-05 09:34 PM

The S-Works E5 is just a frameset for retail. And its $1100 retail. I don't have a problem with you mom's car being worth <$1100 if this is what you already knew. Maybe you should be a little more grateful though instead of dropping three or four times what your mom's car is worth on two bikes (within a week) off of Ebay. I think you're kind of an impulse buyer. I predict that once you have to use your own money to support yourself you'll be up to your eyeballs in debt within 3 years. :eek: :(

scarpi41 12-09-05 10:09 PM


Originally Posted by sofc
I think it's great that you are riding and want a nicer bike for racing. As long as it doesn't put you into serious financial hardship and if you intend to ride it regularly, go for it.

A side note:

Your signature confuses me. Unless you intended to change the verse from spoke (or spaked in Olde English) to spanked. Just curious.

Well i no got it from the movie hackers. And im 99% positive he said spanked. Now i no he(the actor, matt lillard)quoted it from somewhere, but idk where. I like my sig. Its meant to be spanked.An di think its understandable, when a child is bad or did somethin wrong, his parents could opt for a spanking. I think it makes sense.

scarpi41 12-09-05 10:26 PM


Originally Posted by ovoleg
Although I agree, I rather have my kids earn it on their accord. I guess this is similar to 16 year olds driving escalades and CLK's, except it involves bikes.

As I've said before, need is a strong word and really is most of the time a want. You need to eat, you need to sleep, you need to study, you need to drink, and you need to earn your wants. At least that is my opinion.

That way, they appreciate the things that they have. I know that I abused everything that I got for free, but anything that I trully paid for---I treated it well.

In any case, go with the Colnago and treat it well. Remember to at least thank your parents and be nice to them.

Good luck

I have stated i will pay for everythin on this bike. And the use of need is not intentional. Sorry, I will choose my words more carefully next time.I do agree with u on the fact that u appreciate somethin more when u work and pay for it.Thus the reason im doin it like this.Plus I will start racing soon and the bike wont be finished for a while, so i will race the r800.thnx for all ur advice
Scarps

scarpi41 12-09-05 10:36 PM


Originally Posted by hairyleg
oops, sorry, I thought OCP qualifications called for a total lack of decent use of the bike.
If you actually ride it, then ride on. Just don't get the idea that a better bike will really make that much difference. (unless your current ride is REALLY bad, or you are cat3+)

I have. I had that idea when i upgrade from my trek 1000. But my outlook changed when i really wasnt riding that much faster. Although the bike does help. I am fit and hope to become a really good rider, when my bike is finished. LOok at it like this, by the time its done i will be 17 or 18, hopefully not 19 though, and that gives me a couple of years to get better, and be worthy of my colnago(which btw, is so frekin sweet!!)

Scarp


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