Indurain vs Armstrong
05-04-06, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by 55/Rad
2. As Mr. Euro continues to publicly use an out of context quote and insinuate that I use alternate identities in every one of his posts - I feel I need to react accordingly once in awhile.
Originally Posted by 55/Rad
In this case, I felt it was the perfect thread for a "I like pie" response.
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05-04-06, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by 55/Rad
Worthless post?
1. The thread is worthless to begin with - sure it's an interesting video from 13 years ago, but without an opinion, question or statement as to why it's being posted accompaning the link, it comes off as an intentional stirring of the "for you silly Americans who think Lance is a god, here's another example of him getting beat" pot. Particularly given who posted it.
2. As Mr. Euro continues to publicly use an out of context quote and insinuate that I use alternate identities in every one of his posts - I feel I need to react accordingly once in awhile.
In this case, I felt it was the perfect thread for a "I like pie" response.
55/Rad
1. The thread is worthless to begin with - sure it's an interesting video from 13 years ago, but without an opinion, question or statement as to why it's being posted accompaning the link, it comes off as an intentional stirring of the "for you silly Americans who think Lance is a god, here's another example of him getting beat" pot. Particularly given who posted it.
2. As Mr. Euro continues to publicly use an out of context quote and insinuate that I use alternate identities in every one of his posts - I feel I need to react accordingly once in awhile.
In this case, I felt it was the perfect thread for a "I like pie" response.
55/Rad
Not looking for a war of words here. I just think enough folks on this forum look up to you and your opinions and that posting a recipe amidst some good conversation only encourages such behavior.
Just my take, that's all.
05-04-06, 09:14 AM
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PS Rad.. ... if you feel EURO's sig is a slight on your presence and character (which I agree with you), then let a mod know, eh?
05-04-06, 09:17 AM
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I always find at least some value in Rads posts. Same cannot be said for Ben and his incendiary devices. "Worthless" is subjective anyhow, so this was a perfect counter to the OP.
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Originally Posted by ElJamoquio
BLECHHH! Some type of animal product sitting out for a month without refrigeration?
It's mincemeat not ground beef.
05-04-06, 12:03 PM
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pie is alright, but i prefer salad. sald kicks pies a$$ every day...
there's a video i've seen, salad is just whomping all over pie on the kitchen counter. it's a few years old, though.
there's a video i've seen, salad is just whomping all over pie on the kitchen counter. it's a few years old, though.
05-04-06, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 60cycle
there's a video i've seen, salad is just whomping all over pie on the kitchen counter. it's a few years old, though.
American pie never gets respect.
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Originally Posted by james_swift
Chugga chugga chugga...can you hear it? It's the Indutrain.
05-04-06, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Monkey
It's mincemeat not ground beef.
05-04-06, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by botto
How? Because he was tall and didn't say much? By ALL accounts Indurain is an extremely nice and easy going guy. Armstrong, now that's a scary guy. Yeah, Banesto was cr@p. A bunch of pack fill, like Delgado and de las Cuevas, Mauri, and Bernard 
again, i wasn't trying to say that Indurain didn't have a good team or that Armstrong wasn't a great rider physically; i was trying to make a point that Indurain was a great rider first and team-supported tactician second, while Armstrong was the reverse.
you don't win any grand tour without a strong grasp of strategy. which i stated in my first post.
uh huh... and Lance just psyched out all of the competition, right? 
once again, i'm not saying Lance was less of an athlete. just that they had different ways of attacking the race.
OK, who we talking about here? Indurain or Armstrong, or Hinault, or Merckx, or LeMond for that matter?
to win the TdF, you need to be a great rider and use racing tactics to your best advantage - but no one does it the same way.
05-04-06, 01:36 PM
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Mincemeat is a mixture of finely chopped apples, raisins, spices, meat, and sometimes rum or brandy, used especially as a pie filling.
Tasty...
Tasty...
05-04-06, 01:47 PM
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damn, i want some pie now! you guys suck. really, all of you. i have a dinner party to go to in a couple of hours and i really don't need to have a craving for delicious mouthwatering pie.
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Originally Posted by timmhaan
damn, i want some pie now! you guys suck. really, all of you. i have a dinner party to go to in a couple of hours and i really don't need to have a craving for delicious mouthwatering pie.
That help?
05-04-06, 02:07 PM
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05-04-06, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by 55/Rad
English Mincemeat Pies
eight 2-1/2 inch pie shells
1-1/2 cups mincemeat
Mincemeat Filling (yields 3 qts)
1/2 lb beef suet, chopped fine
4 cups seedless raisins
2 cups dried currants
1 cup coarsely chopped almonds
1/2 cup coarsely chopped candied citron
1/2 cup coarsely chopped dried figs
1/2 cup coarsely chopped candied orange peel
1/4 cup coarsely chopped candied lemon peel
4 cups coarsely chopped, peeled and cored cooking apples
1 & 1/4 cups sugar
1 tsp nutmeg
1 tsp allspice
1 tsp cinnamon
1/2 tsp cloves
2 & 1/2 cups brandy
1 cup dry sherry
Combine the suet, raisins, currants, almonds, citron, figs, orange peel, lemon peel, apples, sugar, nutmeg, allspice, cinnamon, and cloves in a large mixing bowl and stir them together thoroughly.
Pour in the brandy and the sherry and stir with a large spoon until all the ingredients are moist.
Cover the bowl and set the ingredients aside in a cool place (do not refrigerate) for at least 3 weeks. Check the mixture each week and replenish the absorbed liquor with more brandy and sherry, using about 1/4 cup each time.
Preheat the oven to 375 degrees F.
Place about 3 tbsp of mincemeat into each pastry shell and cover with sheet of pastry, crimping the edges with a fork.
Place the stuffed pies on a baking sheet and bake in the oven for 10 minutes. Reduce the heat to 350 degrees F and bake for an additional 20 minutes or until the crust is golden brown.
Let pies cool then remove from tin and serve with whipped cream or Brandy Butter.
eight 2-1/2 inch pie shells
1-1/2 cups mincemeat
Mincemeat Filling (yields 3 qts)
1/2 lb beef suet, chopped fine
4 cups seedless raisins
2 cups dried currants
1 cup coarsely chopped almonds
1/2 cup coarsely chopped candied citron
1/2 cup coarsely chopped dried figs
1/2 cup coarsely chopped candied orange peel
1/4 cup coarsely chopped candied lemon peel
4 cups coarsely chopped, peeled and cored cooking apples
1 & 1/4 cups sugar
1 tsp nutmeg
1 tsp allspice
1 tsp cinnamon
1/2 tsp cloves
2 & 1/2 cups brandy
1 cup dry sherry
Combine the suet, raisins, currants, almonds, citron, figs, orange peel, lemon peel, apples, sugar, nutmeg, allspice, cinnamon, and cloves in a large mixing bowl and stir them together thoroughly.
Pour in the brandy and the sherry and stir with a large spoon until all the ingredients are moist.
Cover the bowl and set the ingredients aside in a cool place (do not refrigerate) for at least 3 weeks. Check the mixture each week and replenish the absorbed liquor with more brandy and sherry, using about 1/4 cup each time.
Preheat the oven to 375 degrees F.
Place about 3 tbsp of mincemeat into each pastry shell and cover with sheet of pastry, crimping the edges with a fork.
Place the stuffed pies on a baking sheet and bake in the oven for 10 minutes. Reduce the heat to 350 degrees F and bake for an additional 20 minutes or until the crust is golden brown.
Let pies cool then remove from tin and serve with whipped cream or Brandy Butter.
05-04-06, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Cromulent
Mr. Lance Armstrong
1992
First Union Grand Prix
GP Sanson
Longsjo Classic (1 stage win)
Thrift Drug Classic
Vuelta La Riberia (overall, 3 stages)
Trittico Premondiale (1 stage win)
1993
World Cycling Championship - World Cycling Champion
CoreStates USPro Championship - United States National Cycling Champion
Tour de France (Stage 8)
Tour of America (overall)
Vuelta Ciclista a Galega
Trophee Laigueglia
Tour du Pont (1 stage win)
Tour of Sweden (1 stage win)
Kmart West Virginia Classic (overall, 2 stage wins)
Thrift Drug Classic*
1994
Thrift Drug Classic
Tour du Pont (1 stage win)
1995
Tour de France (Stage 18)
Clasica San Sebastian
Paris-Nice (Stage 5)
Tour du Pont (overall, 3 stage wins)
Kmart West Virginia Classic (overall, 1 stage win)
Tour of America (overall)
1996
Tour du Pont (overall, 5 stage wins)
La Flèche Wallonne
1998
Rheinland-Pfalz Rundfahrt (overall)
Tour de Luxembourg (overall, 1 stage win)
Cascade Classic
1999
Tour de France (overall, 4 stage wins)
Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré (ITT) (Prologue)
Route du Sud (Stage 4)
Circuit de la Sarthe (ITT) (Stage 4)
2000
Tour de France (overall, 1 stage win)
GP des Nations
GP Eddy Merckx
Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré (ITT) (Stage 3)
Bronze medal in the 2000 Summer Olympics Individual Time Trial, Men
2001
Tour de France (overall, 4 stage wins)
Tour de Suisse (overall, 2 stage wins)
2002
Tour de France (overall, 4 stage wins)
Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré (Stage 6)
GP du Midi-Libre
2003
Tour de France (overall, 1 stage win, Team Time Trial)
Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré (overall, Stage 3 ITT)
2004
Tour de France (overall, 5 stage wins, Team Time Trial)
Tour de Georgia (overall, 2 stage wins)
Tour du Languedoc-Roussillon (Stage 5)
Volta ao Algarve (ITT) (Stage 4)
2005
Tour de France (overall, 2 stage wins, Team Time Trial, Individual Time Trial)
Hm... a bit shorter than our friend Mr. Indurain
1992
First Union Grand Prix
GP Sanson
Longsjo Classic (1 stage win)
Thrift Drug Classic
Vuelta La Riberia (overall, 3 stages)
Trittico Premondiale (1 stage win)
1993
World Cycling Championship - World Cycling Champion
CoreStates USPro Championship - United States National Cycling Champion
Tour de France (Stage 8)
Tour of America (overall)
Vuelta Ciclista a Galega
Trophee Laigueglia
Tour du Pont (1 stage win)
Tour of Sweden (1 stage win)
Kmart West Virginia Classic (overall, 2 stage wins)
Thrift Drug Classic*
1994
Thrift Drug Classic
Tour du Pont (1 stage win)
1995
Tour de France (Stage 18)
Clasica San Sebastian
Paris-Nice (Stage 5)
Tour du Pont (overall, 3 stage wins)
Kmart West Virginia Classic (overall, 1 stage win)
Tour of America (overall)
1996
Tour du Pont (overall, 5 stage wins)
La Flèche Wallonne
1998
Rheinland-Pfalz Rundfahrt (overall)
Tour de Luxembourg (overall, 1 stage win)
Cascade Classic
1999
Tour de France (overall, 4 stage wins)
Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré (ITT) (Prologue)
Route du Sud (Stage 4)
Circuit de la Sarthe (ITT) (Stage 4)
2000
Tour de France (overall, 1 stage win)
GP des Nations
GP Eddy Merckx
Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré (ITT) (Stage 3)
Bronze medal in the 2000 Summer Olympics Individual Time Trial, Men
2001
Tour de France (overall, 4 stage wins)
Tour de Suisse (overall, 2 stage wins)
2002
Tour de France (overall, 4 stage wins)
Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré (Stage 6)
GP du Midi-Libre
2003
Tour de France (overall, 1 stage win, Team Time Trial)
Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré (overall, Stage 3 ITT)
2004
Tour de France (overall, 5 stage wins, Team Time Trial)
Tour de Georgia (overall, 2 stage wins)
Tour du Languedoc-Roussillon (Stage 5)
Volta ao Algarve (ITT) (Stage 4)
2005
Tour de France (overall, 2 stage wins, Team Time Trial, Individual Time Trial)
Hm... a bit shorter than our friend Mr. Indurain
Last edited by merlinextraligh; 05-04-06 at 02:42 PM.
05-04-06, 02:35 PM
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TdF champions peak around age 30, so a 29 year old passing a 22 year old is hardly a meaningful comparison.
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Originally Posted by Cromulent
Mr. Lance Armstrong
1992
First Union Grand Prix
GP Sanson
Longsjo Classic (1 stage win)
Thrift Drug Classic
Vuelta La Riberia (overall, 3 stages)
Trittico Premondiale (1 stage win)
1993
World Cycling Championship - World Cycling Champion
CoreStates USPro Championship - United States National Cycling Champion
Tour de France (Stage 8)
Tour of America (overall)
Vuelta Ciclista a Galega
Trophee Laigueglia
Tour du Pont (1 stage win)
Tour of Sweden (1 stage win)
Kmart West Virginia Classic (overall, 2 stage wins)
Thrift Drug Classic*
1994
Thrift Drug Classic
Tour du Pont (1 stage win)
1995
Tour de France (Stage 18)
Clasica San Sebastian
Paris-Nice (Stage 5)
Tour du Pont (overall, 3 stage wins)
Kmart West Virginia Classic (overall, 1 stage win)
Tour of America (overall)
1996
Tour du Pont (overall, 5 stage wins)
La Flèche Wallonne
1998
Rheinland-Pfalz Rundfahrt (overall)
Tour de Luxembourg (overall, 1 stage win)
Cascade Classic
1999
Tour de France (overall, 4 stage wins)
Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré (ITT) (Prologue)
Route du Sud (Stage 4)
Circuit de la Sarthe (ITT) (Stage 4)
2000
Tour de France (overall, 1 stage win)
GP des Nations
GP Eddy Merckx
Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré (ITT) (Stage 3)
Bronze medal in the 2000 Summer Olympics Individual Time Trial, Men
2001
Tour de France (overall, 4 stage wins)
Tour de Suisse (overall, 2 stage wins)
2002
Tour de France (overall, 4 stage wins)
Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré (Stage 6)
GP du Midi-Libre
2003
Tour de France (overall, 1 stage win, Team Time Trial)
Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré (overall, Stage 3 ITT)
2004
Tour de France (overall, 5 stage wins, Team Time Trial)
Tour de Georgia (overall, 2 stage wins)
Tour du Languedoc-Roussillon (Stage 5)
Volta ao Algarve (ITT) (Stage 4)
2005
Tour de France (overall, 2 stage wins, Team Time Trial, Individual Time Trial)
Hm... a bit shorter than our friend Mr. Indurain
1992
First Union Grand Prix
GP Sanson
Longsjo Classic (1 stage win)
Thrift Drug Classic
Vuelta La Riberia (overall, 3 stages)
Trittico Premondiale (1 stage win)
1993
World Cycling Championship - World Cycling Champion
CoreStates USPro Championship - United States National Cycling Champion
Tour de France (Stage 8)
Tour of America (overall)
Vuelta Ciclista a Galega
Trophee Laigueglia
Tour du Pont (1 stage win)
Tour of Sweden (1 stage win)
Kmart West Virginia Classic (overall, 2 stage wins)
Thrift Drug Classic*
1994
Thrift Drug Classic
Tour du Pont (1 stage win)
1995
Tour de France (Stage 18)
Clasica San Sebastian
Paris-Nice (Stage 5)
Tour du Pont (overall, 3 stage wins)
Kmart West Virginia Classic (overall, 1 stage win)
Tour of America (overall)
1996
Tour du Pont (overall, 5 stage wins)
La Flèche Wallonne
1998
Rheinland-Pfalz Rundfahrt (overall)
Tour de Luxembourg (overall, 1 stage win)
Cascade Classic
1999
Tour de France (overall, 4 stage wins)
Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré (ITT) (Prologue)
Route du Sud (Stage 4)
Circuit de la Sarthe (ITT) (Stage 4)
2000
Tour de France (overall, 1 stage win)
GP des Nations
GP Eddy Merckx
Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré (ITT) (Stage 3)
Bronze medal in the 2000 Summer Olympics Individual Time Trial, Men
2001
Tour de France (overall, 4 stage wins)
Tour de Suisse (overall, 2 stage wins)
2002
Tour de France (overall, 4 stage wins)
Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré (Stage 6)
GP du Midi-Libre
2003
Tour de France (overall, 1 stage win, Team Time Trial)
Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré (overall, Stage 3 ITT)
2004
Tour de France (overall, 5 stage wins, Team Time Trial)
Tour de Georgia (overall, 2 stage wins)
Tour du Languedoc-Roussillon (Stage 5)
Volta ao Algarve (ITT) (Stage 4)
2005
Tour de France (overall, 2 stage wins, Team Time Trial, Individual Time Trial)
Hm... a bit shorter than our friend Mr. Indurain
Comparing overall wins, and stage wins based on these posts its 97 Armstrong, 98 Indurain.
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Originally Posted by cooker
TdF champions peak around age 30, so a 29 year old passing a 22 year old is hardly a meaningful comparsison.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
If you look at the post of Indurain's palmares, it breaks out stage wins as seperate wins. Whereas Armstrong's list collects multiple stage wins in parenthesis, making it look shorter. Also Indurain's listing includes placings, some as low as 17th. If you put in all Armstrong's placings his list would also be longer.
Comparing overall wins, and stage wins based on these posts its 97 Armstrong, 98 Indurain.
Comparing overall wins, and stage wins based on these posts its 97 Armstrong, 98 Indurain.
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Originally Posted by ElJamoquio
I understand, but mincemeat is an animal product. Although I just read that people are now making vegetarian mincemeat...