Originally Posted by blackcannon

I think it's ridiculous that you guys carry pepper spray for dogs...I could see it for it being used on the low life jerks that drive around but on dogs?? If PITA heard something like this they'd be all over this site...

Originally Posted by nova

Something else that may work well against a dog is a stink bomb thats in a round glass container. Carry a couple of those with you and smash them behind you.

Originally Posted by nova

actually the main reason i cary it is pure habbit and the fact ive left it at home twice and both times ended up needing it for some cutting chore. But seriously id not be to afraid o go knife v gun esp at closer than 3 foot ranges if it came right down to it id rather have a knife than pepper spray.
My brother had soem go off in his faceonce guess what it did? Pretty much nothing. His eyes teared up a little bit and that was about it. Left him sneezing for like 20 minutes though. Pretty damn funny reaction.

Heres the thing about pepper spray 1 in about 20 or so people have little reaction to it or have a high pain tolerance and can still continue with their previous action. Even with the ability to carry a concealed gun in ohio with permit most dont carry one. Ypur more likly to have sme one pull a razor knife or knife on you here in ohio than a gun.

As per me not being to worried about gun v knife fight ive got some training in how to handle a gun weilding oponent with a knife. In reality guns are only realy a good defence out past the 3 foot or so mark for hand guns and about 6 to 8 foot for rifles. A person can easly take a single step at those distances and put the barrlel behind them.

With a hand gun you want to trap the gun hand with your arm and ribs so the gun is just past your back. At this point you take your knife and start your cut just in frnt of the trap point relax presure on the targets arm then step back and continue your cut down their arm in a s curve. This will insure the cutting of the nerves in the arm

Once you have cut from just above or below the elbow you drop your knife grab the gun as their hand passes through passes your own you know have their gun in hand and their left bleeding with a useless hand.

If your not close enough to use a knife and dis arm them your to far away to effectivly use pepper spray any how.

Want a eye opener on pepper sray read some police reports includign details of what was found on the person who was mugged and killed. Youll be surpised to note that many of them will have empty or nearly empty cans of pepper spray and dead from gun shot wounds.

Now this dont mean its not worth having as in some cases it can be a life saver. For example some one grabbing you from behind with a knife or even a gun. But when the attacker aproaches from the front from say 6 or more feet its not worth the risk to pull it out aim and fire.

I think the best self defence device non knife would have to be a stun glove that looks like a typical driving glove. Attacker grabs you around the kneck your normal and expected reaction grab their hand to prevent being chocked. Attacker owont even think much about it. Grab hand and trigger the glove. Youll get some of the shock but they will get a hell of alot more than you do. Youll go ouch they will go aaaaaahhhhh and fall on their butt.

Id say the biggest cause of death in a attack where some one defends them self is not following through and finishing the person off (ither by killign them or simply pummeling the crap out of them).

Originally Posted by twilkins9076

I won't tolerate it putting my sweetie in harm's way!

Originally Posted by nova

Riding crop would work well i bet any thing that suprises the dog. Thats the whole thing about negitive re enforcement with dogs. Suprise is the key.