mixtery

So this forum has inspired me to buildup this mid 90's Concorde Squadra that I got quite cheap. It's Columbus TSX Frame and Fork. I need some help modernizing things so I need your input. I would love to go Campy Chorus on the drivetrain, Cinelli Bars and Stem, and the wheelset I just don't know yet.

I have some 2004 Record 10 sp. double cranks and a Chorus Italian BB that I would like to use on this bike. Everything else I need to acquire. I'd like to keep it steel/alum and avoid any carbon parts if possible.

Personal stats: 6'1" 170lbs

Frame Stats: 130mm rear spacing, braze on front derailleur, 56cm top tube length

Questions:
Can I go Campy 10 speed with Bar Shifters and just ignore the downtube shifters?

Will there be any cabling issues anywhere if I do that?

Is there a way to cover the downtube shifter spots?

Do I need short, med, long rear derailleur?

Do I have to use Chorus/Record shifters, derailleurs, cogs with the Record Cranks or can I go as far down as Centaur?


I'm a newbie to this so I'll be doing this with the LBS and a good wrenchbook by my side for the simple stuff. Any help is much appreciated!

oneradtec

That's going to be a very nice build. I love the frame...and it's going to ride like a dream. Of course you know it's really a rebadged Ciocc.

Aren't you going to have to spread the rear stays to accept modern 10 speed cassettes?

Can't wait for the final pics!!

mixtery

Really? no I did not know that it's a Ciocc? Very cool!

oneradtec

Concorde contracted out their frame building to Ciocc.
Concorde was the team bikes of the now defunct pro cycling team PDM(Sean Kelly, Erik Breukink, Gert Jan Theunisse, Raul Alcala, Steven Rooks, etc). These frames won several stages of the Tour de France in the late 80's and early 90's...with the help of their riders of course.
The lines and lugs on your frame are exactly like my Ciocc.

All Ciocc frames from that era were hand built one by one in a little shop in Italy.
I can't wait for pics and ride reports.

P.S...are you sure it is mid 90's? I thought Concorde disappeared before then. Perhaps as late as '93

caloso

10 speed hubs/cogs are 130mm so they'll fit fine. All Campy 10spd groups are compatible with each other. My Caldaro neo-retro has Chorus levers, Record crankset, and Centaur derailleurs. You'll need downtube cable stops (they attach to the same braze-ons that the old DT shifters went on). Check out the Classic and Vintage forum, and this thread in particular: https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vintage/198183-new-components-vintage-frame.html

caloso

Oh and great bike!

55/Rad

You won't have to spread the stays as they are 130.

You can use bar end shifters.

No significant cabling issues.

The braze-on for the downtube shifters will be used to route the cables, so no need to cover them.

I don't know about the mixing and matching from different groups - I think you can to some extent depending on the specifics - but I also know there are some things you can't mix.

BTW - Columbus TSX is a wonderful tubing. Project sounds like a lot of fun - good luck.

55/Rad

mixtery

Man that makes me happy because I originally wanted a Ciocc frame! So I guess they sold these to Concorde?

I actually don't know what year it is but the previous owner said he bought it new in '95/'96 so go figure. I'll look for a serial number later.

oneradtec

Could have been NOS(new old stock) like mine.

oneradtec

55/Rad...

Can you help me identify the specific tubing on my Ciocc...

The Columbus sticker on the seat tube says this....

Tubi Rinforz Ti Garantiti
Acciaio Speciale
COLUMBUS

There is a number 55 stamped under the bottom bracket. Can't seem to find a serial number.

Is this Columbus SL?

number 55? Hmmmmmmm!

mixtery

thank you Caloso, oneradtec, and Rad for your advice! I'm a little foggy about the RD. What is the adv/disadv to going with short medium or long cage?

jemoryl

If you wind up buying some Campy ergolevers they should come with some cable stops that screw onto the downtube cable bosses. Otherwise, it should be easy to find a pair for cheap or free, since they are not needed for most newer frames.

Oh, and the "55" probably means a 55 cm frame size.

Have fun,
Joe

ViperZ

The cage length determines how responsive the system will shift, shorter = faster, longer = slightly slower, although this maybe marginal.

A longer cage allows more chain take up, thus a larger span in gearing, most short cages are only good to about a 23-25 tooth cog.

Have fun, looks to be a good start to the project!

HAMMER MAN

should be a great ride once it is built so many classics and Ciocc was very popular in the late seventies and the eighties.
Miche components would look stunning, they do make a semi road group, hubs, crank, seatpost and cassette, chain

wildjim

I have experienced with the Campagnolo Record, Chorus and Veloce short cage rear derailleurs that I can use up to a 28 tooth rear cog.

I am actually currently using 25T, 26T and 27T as the largest cogs on three different cassettes and bicycles with short cage rear derailleurs.

All the bicycles use Campagnolo Record, Centaur and Veloce double cranksets and 53/39 chain rings.

fmw

Good luck with the build. While you can use bar end shifters, note that you can use regular indexed control levers as well. I thought perhaps you might not have known that. As Rad mentionded, the downtube shifter bosses are covered up by the derailleur cable stops which are attached there. You may not be able to make them out very well but here's one of my Italian steelies done that way. The cable stops are screwed right into the bosses.

Grasschopper

The Short cage is for all doubles up to 26t cog in the back...the Med is for their 29t (or less) on a double. The Med cage will do a triple up to a 26t cog on the back and the long is for triples with the 29t on the back (or anything smaller).

mixtery

FMW, that Basso is one of the most original color schemes I've seen. Gotta love orange. Thanks to all about the cage length and cog compatibility! On my current bike - non Italian ;( I'm running 12-25 which I guess is the standard, yet it has a long cage DR. I guess I'll go with a short cage since on this bike. where I live I'm rarely in the smallest or largest cog so should I try 13-26 or 27? Thanks for the info about the cable bosses guys.

caloso

You can see the downtube cable stops here:



Oh, cassette size is such a personal preference, depending on your riding style, terrain, fitness level, etc. I've had good luck with the 53/39 and 12-25. It seems to cover a good range for me. But then, it's very flat here. In fact, on one of my bikes I have a 12-21; I love the tight jumps but I couldn't climb much more than a freeway overpass with it.

mixtery

Caloso, that bike is sex! I see cable stops nicely there..... I have the same 53/39 record cranks ready to go on the concorde. I have some hills locally but maybe I can keep some cogs close in the middle for quick shifting in the flats....

cs1

No problem

None

They're called bosses. Yes you can cover them with cable stops. Usually Campy includes them with cables when you buy brifters.

It depends whether you want to run a triple or double crank.

You can use any group you want. Veloce and Centaur are excellent values for all aluminum groups.


A Veloce build kit with Vento wheels would be a great budget starting point. Good luck.

Tim

jr_glover3

I, too, am building up a Concorde frame ( Aquila, PDM colours, SLX tubing). Some of my riding buddies think that I'm crazy as I'm riding a Trek 5500, but I really miss the feeling of the Concorde Aquila. I'll post some pictures up as I get it together.

Keeping things on the economical front I am building it up with ultegra 10 speed and mavic cxp 33 rims.

Just felt like sharing this with the group as I'm new to bikeforums.net.

Cheers,
J.R.

55/Rad

I agree with your buddies - why in the heck would anybody who rides a Trek 5500 ever want an old steelie?

I just can't see it.....

55/Rad

rufus

yeah, he should send that Concorde to me.

vpiuva

and where are the pictures???