New to Campy. Ultegra vs. Centaur
11-07-06, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by flatlander_48
Hmmm. Sort of sounds like you are referring to an automatic transmission and my guess is that _fly was refering to a manual. That would definitely be Apples and Oranges...
if you still insist on making the analogy work:
if you are racing in a manual transmission car, you will be shifting hard and it will be jerky. this is because you dont let the clutch slip like you would if you were just driving to the market. letting the clutch slip is what makes it smooth, not the quality of the transmission.
so unless your bike has a clutch the comparison is meaningless.
11-08-06, 07:32 AM
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ok,so it wasn't a great analogy.But you get what I mean.
Or has Bianchi equiped their bikes with 105 because they believe it offers better value/performance than the Veloce they've scrapped?
Yeah, 105s to bring the price point of the package down.
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11-24-06, 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by brundle_fly
ok,so it wasn't a great analogy.But you get what I mean.
Or has Bianchi equiped their bikes with 105 because they believe it offers better value/performance than the Veloce they've scrapped?
Or has Bianchi equiped their bikes with 105 because they believe it offers better value/performance than the Veloce they've scrapped?
Tim
11-25-06, 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by cs1
IMO, 105 has better name recognition and is cheaper. 105 isn't a better performing system though. Most major companies are very price oriented. So, going to 105 would make sense in a business model. Personally, I'll stick with Campy.
So yes, out there in the market place, having a 105 would reassure more potential buyers than a set of Veloce from Campag, let alone the higher price tag of a Campag equipped model. Most buyers just don't get it. Sad, very sad!
11-25-06, 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by sogood
Very true. The Campag brand recognition is only good to people who are really into cycling. Even on an enthusist forum like this, you'll still find plenty who come in and know nothing of Campag's features.
So yes, out there in the market place, having a 105 would reassure more potential buyers than a set of Veloce from Campag, let alone the higher price tag of a Campag equipped model. Most buyers just don't get it. Sad, very sad!
So yes, out there in the market place, having a 105 would reassure more potential buyers than a set of Veloce from Campag, let alone the higher price tag of a Campag equipped model. Most buyers just don't get it. Sad, very sad!
This Veloce groupset comes complete with;
* Alloy QS Ergo Levers with full cable set
* Alloy Short cage Rear Mech
* Braze-on QS Front Mech (For Campagnolo Braze on adaptor click here)
* Front and Rear Caliper Brakes
* Veloce Chain
* Cassette
* Alloy ULTRA-TORQUE™ Crankset
* English (BC) Thread Bearing Cups
$499.22
This 105 groupset comes complete with;
* STI Levers with full cable set
* Short cage Rear Mech
* Braze-on Front Mech
* Front and Rear Caliper Brakes
* Chain
* 12-27 Cassette
* Hollow-Tec 2 Chainset with 39-52t ring combination
* English (BC) Thread Bearing Cups
$522.33
Seems pretty comparable...
11-25-06, 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by flatlander_48
On ProBikeKit:
This Veloce groupset comes complete with;
$499.22
This 105 groupset comes complete with;
$522.33
Seems pretty comparable...
This Veloce groupset comes complete with;
$499.22
This 105 groupset comes complete with;
$522.33
Seems pretty comparable...
In real life through LBS and for most volume bike buyers, model for model, I have not seen one complete bike with Campag that is cheaper than one that is Shimano equipped.
I strongly suspect Shimano give major manufacturers some big discounts for using their products.
11-25-06, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by DocRay
There is a good reason why the world's most successful sprinters all use Campy.
You know better...
11-25-06, 09:55 AM
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I knew I shouldn't have read this thread. I was all set for Ultegra for the Pedal Force, then along came SRAM Force and now Campy. The real problem is my OCP nature won't let me buy below the #2 gruppo which means Chorus instead of Centaur. At those prices I have to consider Dura-Ace as well. I'm worse off than when I started. I like the hidden cable routing more and more.
I already have a Shimano bike and I really don't want one of each because I want to be able to switch wheels between both.
Surely those exposed cables are costing them 0.75 watts. 
I already have a Shimano bike and I really don't want one of each because I want to be able to switch wheels between both.
Originally Posted by Surferbruce
yeah and look at how ugly all those cables are all over the front of those bikes.
11-25-06, 12:22 PM
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Dial_tone, the new 07 Centaur is a great looking group. You lose the multi downshift of Chorus/Record, but has all the same carbon bits of Chorus. I'm going to be buying the Centaur group for my Flyte build as soon as I'm able to gather up the $$$. 95% of the OCP of Chorus as a very reasonable price.
Anyone price a 105 group at the LBS lately? Or a full Carbon with 105? My local shop was selling a Veloce equipped carbon Bianchi for $2000.
Anyone price a 105 group at the LBS lately? Or a full Carbon with 105? My local shop was selling a Veloce equipped carbon Bianchi for $2000.
11-25-06, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by botto
+1
he couldn't sprint worth a damn
that guy from tashkent, not for his life...
him either
what idiot gave this guy a pro contract
this guy isn't a top sprinter
who's this guy?
and this one?
ale who?
not these guys...
you're right, with their inferior track record, no sprinter in their right mind would ever use shimano if they had a choice.
he couldn't sprint worth a damn
that guy from tashkent, not for his life...
him either
what idiot gave this guy a pro contract
this guy isn't a top sprinter
who's this guy?
and this one?
ale who?
not these guys...
you're right, with their inferior track record, no sprinter in their right mind would ever use shimano if they had a choice.
11-28-06, 03:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Dial_tone
I knew I shouldn't have read this thread. I was all set for Ultegra for the Pedal Force, then along came SRAM Force and now Campy. The real problem is my OCP nature won't let me buy below the #2 gruppo which means Chorus instead of Centaur. At those prices I have to consider Dura-Ace as well. I'm worse off than when I started. I like the hidden cable routing more and more.
I already have a Shimano bike and I really don't want one of each because I want to be able to switch wheels between both.
I already have a Shimano bike and I really don't want one of each because I want to be able to switch wheels between both.
I saved enough money to upgrade to a set of Zonda wheels. They made a bigger difference than upgrading to Chorus.
Tim
