formula4

When I started riding in 2003, I rode a hilly course (8.6 miles) and it took me 1 hour, 15 mins to complete. A year later and my time was down to 45 mins, and eventually 30 mins. Recently, I got it to 28 minutes.... but I can never seem to improve much.

I recently decided to try a diet/energy pill to give me a boost to lose some weight. I only use 1/2 of the daily dosage though, I don't need that much.

Anyway, I decided to do my same route with it. The result? ALMOST 2 MINUTES faster! That's some serious speed. More than what a pair of Zipps could do, from what I hear.

I would think this would be cheating in races. My question is this.... in large races (TdF TT's, for example).... do blood tests detect this kind of legal over-the-counter stuff? It seems too easy to add a few minutes to a time this way.

Just curious.

DXchulo

First of all, are you sure it's a pill and not a placebo effect?

Second, the list of banned substances is quite long. I was reading 23 Days in July (good book, but not quite as good as Armstrong's War) and the author was talking about how he had to get an operation done on his thumb. The medication he was taking would have given him a positive drug test. His point was that riders have to be extremely careful about what they put in their bodies because it would be easy to make a mistake and get a positive test for something legal.

Not that riders don't dope, but it's interesting nonetheless.

ri_us

It's impossible to say for sure unless you tell us what the product was. But the short answer is probably. I was in the NCAA and I used to think twice before I ate a poopy seed bagel. But it was worth it... I never stressed before the test.

Huffer

I would ALWAYS think twice before eating anything with poopy seeds...

I needed a reason to smile this afternoon, thanks!

Craig

formula4

Lipo-6 was the drug. I know it's the real effect when my hands shake from energy

DXchulo

So did you actually lose weight? If so that could account for the faster time. Most pros don't have much more weight to lose.

cydisc

I'm new here. I can't wait to start doping.

formula4

I'm talking about an almost 2 minute faster time within 45 mins. Take the pill, 45 mins later I feel like superman

Enthalpic

Welcome to caffeine, perfectly legal in moderate amounts.

formula4

Disclaimer : I can see it, someone soon will post something negative about my post. Please refrain yourselves. I am not a doper. Just trying to get in shape.

DScott

Do you have an actual question?

I think the improvement in decreasing your loop time from 75 minutes to 28 minutes is MUCH more interesting than in losing that extra two minutes you think may be due to a stimulant rich supplement... IMHO

BTW, the WADA pohibited drug/supplement list is here: https://www.wada-ama.org/en/prohibitedlist.ch2

slowandsteady

Are you sure it wasn't just a tail wind?

formula4

Try reading my post. It says, and I quote :

"My question is "

Followed by my question.

FrankBattle 

*shrug*

I want to dope.

slowandsteady

Here is a "review" with the ingredients. Sounds like if it does do anything it just might blow your heart into a thousand pieces. Why the heck would anyone put this mess into their body with NO toxicology data and certainly no efficacy data? The supplement industry's version of a toxicology trial is to just make up some claims, sell this stuff to whoever will buy it and when the FTC and the FDA determine it killed a few thousand people it gets pulled from the market. Can anyone say ephedra? But I guess 2 minutes on your neighborhood 8.6 mile route is worth your life.

https://www.ultimatefatburner.com/eph...ee-lipo-6.html

formula4

I was thinking of taking 14 of them to produce even better times. I'm going to down them with energy drinks.

formula4

Oh no, look what I've started. Someone close the thread.

Moochers_Dad

I hope you mean POPPY seed bagel, and not POOPY seed...

"This bagel tastes like a$$!"

Snuffleupagus

Red Bulls aren't cheating - they're racing smarter

slowandsteady

Huh? I am not a surgeon, nor have I killed anyone. I am a scientist, and I have never with held data or would I. I take medication, so does my grandmother. There is no way I would endanger someone's life.

And I agree, the the non-disclosure and incompetence in hospitals is frightening. There are not enough checks and balances and the whole training of interns and residents has more to do with an antiquated and dangerous machismo(36 hour shifts!) than with a good system of hands on education. But really this is a red herring. Incompetence in hospitals does not negate the dangers of supplements.

slowandsteady

Well I suppose if you take enough of them you can finish your route before you even start it.

DScott

You should consider changing your user name to "Brer Rabbit". You could make this quote your sig line: "But don't fling me in that briar patch."

DScott

If they don't get released, how can they be frightening?

Frankly, I think it's more risky to eat out too often.

slvoid

How about some bovine testoserone...

StupidlyBrave 

I would fail a blood test - Banned substances (beta blocker) by doctor's orders.