WheresWaldo

Most of these scales, including the Escali have a way to calibrate themselves. The weight must be precisely 200g or 500g usually. There is no way to zero out the weight of the container during the calibration process. Like Eatadonut said, it's cheaper to buy the correct calibration weight than it is to get an accurate cylinder.

Funny thing, this thread is about Hammertoe's RS build and we have spent just as many posts regarding scales and scale accuracy.

apexaddict6

=) it was just a thought.

on a side note: i've decided to build my RS in a quality but cost-effective build... and will try to utilize a light weight rider as my first mod.

shabbasuraj

There will always be lighter. but that does not mean they are better.

WheresWaldo

Bravo, can't wait to see your thread. But, please tell me you do not ride a toy bike (53cm or smaller).

WheresWaldo

+1

lennyk

my escali can be zeroed with a container by holding down the on button

Hammertoe

I have several FSA 115 stems lying around and I ride a K-Wing now and find it very comfortable...

I decided to try the K-Force and see how it feels...

I am always open to suggestions, if not for this build for future reference...

I find the drift of internet chat interesting...

FYI, I placed 100 ml of water on the scale and it measured 92g...

I measured the water from a Pyrex kitchen measuring cup. Not to scientific...

apexaddict6

actually it's a 53cm and i'm not a small guy either... 5'10", 178lb frame and not TOO chunky muhaha

WheresWaldo

The actual equivalent is 1cc of water = 1 gram, that is only close to 1 ml not exact. That's why you need the calibration weight. The usual process for Escali scales is this:

bbp

Have you tried any of the Syntace stuff? I love my force stem and carbon bars.

WheresWaldo

I have heard that the Syntace stems although very light are also not very stiff. Maybe I heard wrong. I do like the look of the FSA stuff that Hammertoe is using.

bbp

That's the first time I've heard a Syntace stem not being stiff. My stem is plenty stiff.

Hammertoe

Should I be vain....

My main ride is a 2001 LeMond Maillot Jaune, a black and red frame, I like the color scheme...

Hey, FSA color scheme is black and red...

What a coincidence...

CrimsonKarter21

Is that an ICE in your signature? If it is, I hate you for selling that bad-boy on Ebay, I want it so badly.

shabbasuraj

Syntace = noodle (seriously)

...but it is what I consider onlly marginally lighter, so not worth the weight savings and cost( if that matters to you) ... the fact that these things have been recalled, doesn't make me confident..

...but if they work for you, then by all means use it...


..all things considered, I consider stems to be more bling than anything, and not a component where serious WW savings are to be made...

...nowadays most components are getting very light, and I am begining to feel that the most significant weight to be saved are often in the most expensive parts of the bike, i.e., the frame and the wheels...

my 0.02

WheresWaldo

Okay so I didn't hear wrong. Are you saying that Syntace did a recall or FSA? Light and strong, that's why I went with the Ritchey 4-Axis, but if I need it to be a tank I have a Thomson sitting on my desk. I also agree in part that most components are getting lighter. Still some weight savings to be had in most saddles, cranks, brifters, besides the frames. Scott is an example of just how light a good frame can be made today. Think what they can do without all the metal sleeves for the BB and head tube.

FormerBMX'er

Dammit, now I have to get a kitchen scale before I can begin my build. Good thing I'm still collecting the group .

thewalrus

My RS. The Ritchey WCS 4-axis is very stiff already...

Same length in a Thomson X2 is exactly 40g heavier (135g vs 175g)

Hammertoe

Hey tusked one...

What length stem is that...

Which headset did you use...

Where did you get the spacers that match so well...

Any more pictures of your RS. I did a search and only turned up pictures of the frame...

Thanks

shabbasuraj

https://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml06/06069.html

https://www.velonews.com/pr/prn/articles/9413.0.html

thewalrus

It's a 110mm stem, headset is the FSA integrated model that came taped to the frame when it was couriered to me from Singapore. The spacers came from Ming at Pedal Force, I'm sure they match well because he chose them to do so... kudos to Ming for that. People have said funny things about the bottle cages, but they cost $5 and are indestructable (Specialized mountain bike alloy model, pretty light too). The bike is a full pound lighter since this photo was taken with the addition of a 1460g Mike Garcia wheelset, 30mm niobium rims / White Ind. rear hub, 20/24 CX-Rays.

Here are the other photos.

Compressed

How do you like the ride Walrus and what are you comparing it to?

Hammertoe

Down right beautiful...

Can't wait until ours come in...

Good question Compressed...

blandin

Thanks much for the pictures of the completed bike.

thewalrus

My old primary ride was a 2005 Specialized Allez Elite (all-aluminum frame / carbon fork / nine speed 105 parts, roughly similar to a Trek 1500 in spec). It's now relegated to trainer duty.

The RS is significantly stiffer in the BB, and there's less road vibration. It does feel a bit more dead when riding, sort of like riding a thick plank of wood... But that's a good thing. I still have excellent road feel through the bars but the saddle vibration is reduced even with a much thinner Toupe saddle.

This is the first full-carbon frame bike I've owned so I don't have a lot to compare it to. I can say that the front end feels less flexy in out of the saddle hammering. The fork and headset junction is definitely stiffer than my Specialized. For those who care about weight the frame with bottom bracket cable guide, downtube cable stops, derailleur hanger, without seatpost collar was 1130g. It's a 58cm.

I think I want to try round drop "european traditional" belgian style drop bars that have a longer flat section in the drops. The Ritchey WCS bar is nice, but there's only one possible hand position when in the drops on an "ergo" bar.

My main complaint is that I couldn't get the fork and seatpost without the Pedal Force logo. It's not as bad as their old logo, but I'm going for the full stealth design... the plan is to cover them up with some stickers.

One LBS employee asked "is that a Colnago?". It was at a shop that mostly does high-end mountain bikes, so I'll forgive him the mistake... but is there a Colnago frame that looks anything like this?

The Pedal Force seatpost is nice and light. It was something like 160g at 300mm, very nearly the weight of a Thomson Masterpiece in the same length. Great deal for $50 or $60.

Components: The stock brake pads on SRAM Force brakes still aren't as good as the $5 Kool-Stop black pads from www.pricepoint.com. They were the first thing to go. I believe the ramping and pinning on a Dura Ace 53 ring is significantly better than the SRAM rings. Shimano has various patents on the inner design of that ring... and for good reason! Chain pickup is very quick. I have no problems with the front derailleur's lack of adjustment like a Chorus/Record setup, because I don't use stupid cross-chaining combos.

EVERYONE should order a spare chain and cassette from Ming when they buy their bike. He's selling them at wholesale cost. The SRAM PC-1090 and a Ultegra 6600 12-27 were $80 together. Saved something like $25-30 over buying them separately later on. Usually the CS-6600 is $65 by itself...