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Product Review: Yoursole heat moldable insoles
I recently purchased some heat moldable insoles from Yoursole. I have had problems with hot spots on the ball of my right foot through several different brands of shoe.
Conclusion: I do not recommend these.
Details:
The last shoes I have owned are:
Avia
Shimano
Carnac Quartz (nice fit, poor construction, heavy)
Specialized Carbon Road (still have them)
Nike Poggio (current pair - a little snug)
I was hoping the custom insole would eliminate the hot spot. I bought the Slim Sport Footbed for $39.95 and a couple pair of socks. This model is for tight fitting applications like road biking shoes. They arrived fairly quickly. They look well constructed but what do I know? My first pair of after market insoles.
Per the directions I preheated the oven to 200 degrees. The soles have a dot on the bottom that turns black when the insoles are ready to be removed. I baked the insoles for the suggested two minutes but they were not even warm when I took them out. I noticed the dot had not changed colors so I put them back and watched until it did.
I immediately inserted them into the Nikes then put them on so they would mold to my feet. The next day I went for a 30-mile ride. I noticed I had a lot more room in the toe than with the Nike insoles. After about 20 miles my feet were really starting to hurt. It would go away if I concentrated on the upstroke but something just wasn't right.
I got home and removed the insoles. I compared them side by side with the insoles of other shoes. The heel and arc sections are great but the area under the ball and toe is very very thin and has more or less nonexistent cushioning - less than 1/8" thick. This part of the insole may as well be made of wood because thats what it feels like.
Here are some pics so you can see them compared to the Nike and Specialized insoles, both of which have additional padded section under the ball that the Yoursole model doesn't have. The Specialized are near 75% thicker under the padded ball area and the Nikes about 50% thicker.
They do have a 90-day exchange/refund guarantee so all is not lost.
Nike Poggio insoles on the left, Yoursoles in the middle, Specialized Carbon Road on the right. I would say the Specialzed is the best of the three. I'm going to ride the next week with those insoles in the Nike shoes.
On the Yoursole the black section under the ball of the foot is NOT extra padding like the other two. It's all one thin layer.
Conclusion: I do not recommend these.
Details:
The last shoes I have owned are:
Avia
Shimano
Carnac Quartz (nice fit, poor construction, heavy)
Specialized Carbon Road (still have them)
Nike Poggio (current pair - a little snug)
I was hoping the custom insole would eliminate the hot spot. I bought the Slim Sport Footbed for $39.95 and a couple pair of socks. This model is for tight fitting applications like road biking shoes. They arrived fairly quickly. They look well constructed but what do I know? My first pair of after market insoles.
Per the directions I preheated the oven to 200 degrees. The soles have a dot on the bottom that turns black when the insoles are ready to be removed. I baked the insoles for the suggested two minutes but they were not even warm when I took them out. I noticed the dot had not changed colors so I put them back and watched until it did.
I immediately inserted them into the Nikes then put them on so they would mold to my feet. The next day I went for a 30-mile ride. I noticed I had a lot more room in the toe than with the Nike insoles. After about 20 miles my feet were really starting to hurt. It would go away if I concentrated on the upstroke but something just wasn't right.
I got home and removed the insoles. I compared them side by side with the insoles of other shoes. The heel and arc sections are great but the area under the ball and toe is very very thin and has more or less nonexistent cushioning - less than 1/8" thick. This part of the insole may as well be made of wood because thats what it feels like.
Here are some pics so you can see them compared to the Nike and Specialized insoles, both of which have additional padded section under the ball that the Yoursole model doesn't have. The Specialized are near 75% thicker under the padded ball area and the Nikes about 50% thicker.
They do have a 90-day exchange/refund guarantee so all is not lost.
Nike Poggio insoles on the left, Yoursoles in the middle, Specialized Carbon Road on the right. I would say the Specialzed is the best of the three. I'm going to ride the next week with those insoles in the Nike shoes.
On the Yoursole the black section under the ball of the foot is NOT extra padding like the other two. It's all one thin layer.
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I use YourSole's in my running shoes but not the thin models. I like them but I dont have a lot to compare them to.
I was thinking about buying a pair for my Sidis but based on your review, I think Ill pass.
I was thinking about buying a pair for my Sidis but based on your review, I think Ill pass.
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Originally Posted by damocles1
Have you tried SuperFeet? I've had good luck with them controllling hotspots...just a thought.
The black ones or the thicker green ones? The black ones aren't solving my problem of numb toes; curious if the green ones would be any better.
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I use the thick Yoursole insoles in my hiking boots. They work pretty well there. The thin ones don't have enough padding for me. I prefer a little padding to prevent hot spots. I've had tood good luck with the Specialized cycling insoles with the wedge system.
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Originally Posted by bbattle
The black ones or the thicker green ones? The black ones aren't solving my problem of numb toes; curious if the green ones would be any better.
They also do a custom fit program. They actually have a dealer that is trained in heat molding do it for you. I've been thinking of doing this as I don't trust myself to do it correctly in the kitchen.
Numb toes might be an issue of cleat placement as well...
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Dial_Tone, thanks for the review. I have the same problem as you and tried the SOLE insert as well and came to the same conclusion about them (hard and uncomfortable). Mine also took a loooooooonnnngggg time to heat the first time.
I was in my LBS on Saturday and saw that they had Specialized BG insoles for sale that have the Metatarsal Button on them. They come in red, blue and green. Here's an excerpt from the literature regarding each color:
According to them they only work in Specialized BG shoes, so you might want to stop by your LBS and check them out as well.
I was in my LBS on Saturday and saw that they had Specialized BG insoles for sale that have the Metatarsal Button on them. They come in red, blue and green. Here's an excerpt from the literature regarding each color:
+ Red = minimal contours (this is our stock body geometry footbed with longitudinal arch & metatarsal button support. Same footbed in all our performance shoes. Same footbed we have used since 2000) = for people with flat foot
++ Blue = moderate (slightly higher longitudinal arch & metatarsal button) = for people with flat to standard arch
+++ Green = significant support = for people with standard or high arches
++ Blue = moderate (slightly higher longitudinal arch & metatarsal button) = for people with flat to standard arch
+++ Green = significant support = for people with standard or high arches
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Originally Posted by wvaneeden
According to them they only work in Specialized BG shoes, so you might want to stop by your LBS and check them out as well.
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Originally Posted by wvaneeden
Dial_Tone, thanks for the review. I have the same problem as you and tried the SOLE insert as well and came to the same conclusion about them (hard and uncomfortable). Mine also took a loooooooonnnngggg time to heat the first time.
I was in my LBS on Saturday and saw that they had Specialized BG insoles for sale that have the Metatarsal Button on them. They come in red, blue and green. Here's an excerpt from the literature regarding each color:
According to them they only work in Specialized BG shoes, so you might want to stop by your LBS and check them out as well.
I was in my LBS on Saturday and saw that they had Specialized BG insoles for sale that have the Metatarsal Button on them. They come in red, blue and green. Here's an excerpt from the literature regarding each color:
According to them they only work in Specialized BG shoes, so you might want to stop by your LBS and check them out as well.
BG Pro Carbon Road Shoe, even though it's black. Since I have near flat feet I will just use those in my Nikes.
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Originally Posted by bbattle
The black ones or the thicker green ones? The black ones aren't solving my problem of numb toes; curious if the green ones would be any better.
are your toes numbing from hotspots, or from a too-small toebox?
if the toebox is too small, you should really get shoes that fit you correctly, but a thinner insole may help give the shoe a little extra volume. superfeet gray insoles are very thin in the ball/toe area, i use them in my hockey skates, and i can swap them into my cycling shoes if i wish.
the green and black superfeet look like they have a much thicker sole than the grays.
if you're getting pain from hotspots, you migh have to do something custom, like cutting the front of an old insole and placing it under your regular insole for more padding.
you should not be looking at insoles for hotspot relief, while some may help more than others, none are designed specifically to help with that pain. insoles are designed to align your ankles/knees and hips.
insole selection will do minimal to nothing for hotspot pain. you really need to be looking at cleats/pedal/outsole selection.
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Disclaimer: I have flat feet; fallen arches, whatever. I wear orthotic footbeds from a podiatrist.
Now, my opinion about 'custom' footbeds: Unless you mold them to your feet with your foot in the proper position to create the right arch shape, IMNSHO you're doing more harm than good. It's expensive to go to a podiatrist, and I wouldn't suggest it unless you have flat feet or other 'serious' foot problems.
That being said, I rock the grey superfeet in everything from hockey skates to ski boots to my Sidi Genius 4s. Theys rock the hizzy.
Now, my opinion about 'custom' footbeds: Unless you mold them to your feet with your foot in the proper position to create the right arch shape, IMNSHO you're doing more harm than good. It's expensive to go to a podiatrist, and I wouldn't suggest it unless you have flat feet or other 'serious' foot problems.
That being said, I rock the grey superfeet in everything from hockey skates to ski boots to my Sidi Genius 4s. Theys rock the hizzy.
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I was getting a bit of heal lift in my new Ergo1s. I've only owned Sidi shoes since 1989 and had never had this problem before. I decided to try a set of the Yoursoles slim line and although they did what they promised, mold to my foot, they didn't fix the heal lift. I found a new set of Sidi airflow insoles that I had in an old shoe box and bingo! No more heal lift. The Yoursoles weren't really a whole lot better than the Sidi Ergo1 insoles to begin with.
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Originally Posted by G60
superfeet grays are designed for road cycling shoes.
are your toes numbing from hotspots, or from a too-small toebox?
if the toebox is too small, you should really get shoes that fit you correctly, but a thinner insole may help give the shoe a little extra volume. superfeet gray insoles are very thin in the ball/toe area, i use them in my hockey skates, and i can swap them into my cycling shoes if i wish.
the green and black superfeet look like they have a much thicker sole than the grays.
if you're getting pain from hotspots, you migh have to do something custom, like cutting the front of an old insole and placing it under your regular insole for more padding.
you should not be looking at insoles for hotspot relief, while some may help more than others, none are designed specifically to help with that pain. insoles are designed to align your ankles/knees and hips.
insole selection will do minimal to nothing for hotspot pain. you really need to be looking at cleats/pedal/outsole selection.
are your toes numbing from hotspots, or from a too-small toebox?
if the toebox is too small, you should really get shoes that fit you correctly, but a thinner insole may help give the shoe a little extra volume. superfeet gray insoles are very thin in the ball/toe area, i use them in my hockey skates, and i can swap them into my cycling shoes if i wish.
the green and black superfeet look like they have a much thicker sole than the grays.
if you're getting pain from hotspots, you migh have to do something custom, like cutting the front of an old insole and placing it under your regular insole for more padding.
you should not be looking at insoles for hotspot relief, while some may help more than others, none are designed specifically to help with that pain. insoles are designed to align your ankles/knees and hips.
insole selection will do minimal to nothing for hotspot pain. you really need to be looking at cleats/pedal/outsole selection.
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One of the last bastions of positioning on the bike that is really not taken into detailed account is where the shoe and pedal intersect. But even before you clip in, there's one other detail we've left out: where the foot and the shoe come together. As shoes have become high tech with much stiffer soles, getting it right inside the shoe is very important, and that's where orthotics come into play.
When most people think of using orthotics (padded show inserts) running probably first comes to mind, and then probably something you might use to help someone with foot problems for everyday walking. But thanks to a better understanding of the mechanics of the leg-foot relationship coupled with the advent of stiffer soled cycling shoes, orthotics are now gaining in popularity among the two-wheeled crowd as well. Here at the Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team camp in Solvang, Glen Hinshaw and Bill Peterson from eSoles (www.eSoles.com) are here to help the boys, and sat down and explained why orthotics are important – and what they can do for you, as well.
"Early in 2000 I met Bill and we started working together on orthotics for me," said Glen (who also rides for the Discovery Channel Masters Team). "I had a 'hot spot' that I just could not get rid of, and we figured out that I had a collapse in one of my arches that was putting all kinds of things out of balance. One we got that diagnosed and the correct orthotic made through laser alignment, I saw more power and was able to ride longer because the fatigue factor was removed from the structural breakdown associated with a poorly aligned body."
Glen then went on to note that many times we try and solve hot spots purely through making cleat adjustments on our shoes. While this certainly can alleviate some problems, more often than not it's the alignment of the foot that's the problem, not the cleat position.
Bill, who's been creating orthotics for over 25 years, noted that all of the conventional methods are not reproduceable. If you get a set made from plaster casting, that's great, but when you need another set you essentially have to start from scratch all over again. "With our technology, using 3D laser scanning, it's all automated and we can recreate the insert over and over again as it's needed."
So what is the process? It's not time intensive – most of the riders were done in 15 minutes or less, but it is thorough. First you get a foot alignment evaluation consisting of seated and standing examinations, looking to see how your feet occur naturally with little weight bearing and then with full weight bearing. A certified specialist measures degrees of pronation on during this process and the data is recorded. Then you sit with your foot in the 3D laser scanner bed, your foot gets aligned and then an inflatable pillow ensures accurate contouring as your foot is painlessly scanned into the computer. By knowing the impact of the data from the seated vs. weight bearing exam it's then a matter of the computer creating a perfectly sculpted orthotic that will literally fit your foot like a glove, err, sock…
"We have different densities of foam based on a rider's style," said Bill. "This is essentially driven by the amount of watts a rider can generate on a bike which related to weight transfer. The starting point for all of that is the simple question: how much do you ride a week, and then of course the caliber of the rider. Pro riders, riding thousands of kms a year, will get the heavy density – something very firm and positive, while the recreational rider may want something a little softer due to less pressure on the pedals."
* Something very few orthotics ever take into detailed account: the shape of the shoe platform. Most off-the-shelf and semi-custom inserts you just shove into the shoe and hope for the best. Not so with eSoles. They have a template for practically every make of cycling shoe, and once they know the one you use the orthotic will be cut to fit perfectly in your gear. So knowing this, and having your foot on file in the database, it’s possible to order multiple sets of orthotics (even at different densities) for multiple sports and general walking.
While a new product to the team as a whole, George Hincapie, Levi Leipheimer, and Tom Danielson have been using eSoles for some time. "Most of the top American riders are clients and we also used the DC Masters team to help experiment with prototypes in the early days," said Glen. "And while the custom based experience like we're doing today is our starting point, we're also branching out into a self-service model soon as well." OK, OK – I know you want to know: what’s it going to cost? "The full custom orthotic is suggested between $199-299. A lot of the cost is based upon the practitioner that is doing the evaluation and the other information that needs to be taken into account. And we hope to have a semi-custom process by the latter portion of this year that will be under $100."
When most people think of using orthotics (padded show inserts) running probably first comes to mind, and then probably something you might use to help someone with foot problems for everyday walking. But thanks to a better understanding of the mechanics of the leg-foot relationship coupled with the advent of stiffer soled cycling shoes, orthotics are now gaining in popularity among the two-wheeled crowd as well. Here at the Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team camp in Solvang, Glen Hinshaw and Bill Peterson from eSoles (www.eSoles.com) are here to help the boys, and sat down and explained why orthotics are important – and what they can do for you, as well.
"Early in 2000 I met Bill and we started working together on orthotics for me," said Glen (who also rides for the Discovery Channel Masters Team). "I had a 'hot spot' that I just could not get rid of, and we figured out that I had a collapse in one of my arches that was putting all kinds of things out of balance. One we got that diagnosed and the correct orthotic made through laser alignment, I saw more power and was able to ride longer because the fatigue factor was removed from the structural breakdown associated with a poorly aligned body."
Glen then went on to note that many times we try and solve hot spots purely through making cleat adjustments on our shoes. While this certainly can alleviate some problems, more often than not it's the alignment of the foot that's the problem, not the cleat position.
Bill, who's been creating orthotics for over 25 years, noted that all of the conventional methods are not reproduceable. If you get a set made from plaster casting, that's great, but when you need another set you essentially have to start from scratch all over again. "With our technology, using 3D laser scanning, it's all automated and we can recreate the insert over and over again as it's needed."
So what is the process? It's not time intensive – most of the riders were done in 15 minutes or less, but it is thorough. First you get a foot alignment evaluation consisting of seated and standing examinations, looking to see how your feet occur naturally with little weight bearing and then with full weight bearing. A certified specialist measures degrees of pronation on during this process and the data is recorded. Then you sit with your foot in the 3D laser scanner bed, your foot gets aligned and then an inflatable pillow ensures accurate contouring as your foot is painlessly scanned into the computer. By knowing the impact of the data from the seated vs. weight bearing exam it's then a matter of the computer creating a perfectly sculpted orthotic that will literally fit your foot like a glove, err, sock…
"We have different densities of foam based on a rider's style," said Bill. "This is essentially driven by the amount of watts a rider can generate on a bike which related to weight transfer. The starting point for all of that is the simple question: how much do you ride a week, and then of course the caliber of the rider. Pro riders, riding thousands of kms a year, will get the heavy density – something very firm and positive, while the recreational rider may want something a little softer due to less pressure on the pedals."
* Something very few orthotics ever take into detailed account: the shape of the shoe platform. Most off-the-shelf and semi-custom inserts you just shove into the shoe and hope for the best. Not so with eSoles. They have a template for practically every make of cycling shoe, and once they know the one you use the orthotic will be cut to fit perfectly in your gear. So knowing this, and having your foot on file in the database, it’s possible to order multiple sets of orthotics (even at different densities) for multiple sports and general walking.
While a new product to the team as a whole, George Hincapie, Levi Leipheimer, and Tom Danielson have been using eSoles for some time. "Most of the top American riders are clients and we also used the DC Masters team to help experiment with prototypes in the early days," said Glen. "And while the custom based experience like we're doing today is our starting point, we're also branching out into a self-service model soon as well." OK, OK – I know you want to know: what’s it going to cost? "The full custom orthotic is suggested between $199-299. A lot of the cost is based upon the practitioner that is doing the evaluation and the other information that needs to be taken into account. And we hope to have a semi-custom process by the latter portion of this year that will be under $100."
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interesting, i never would have guessed that, but it makes sense.
i would give the superfeet grays a try. for hockey skates, nothing i've tried has come close to them.
the forefoot is pretty thin, but the heel cup is a very supportive hard plastic. i use them because my feet pronate on skates. at first i did not like the superfeet, as i actually pronated even more, but that was actually because my foot was protesting against arch support. after an hour or two, my feet adjusted and were perfectly level.
some people who aren't used to the arch support feel like there's a rock under their arch when first using them, but the foot adjusts.
all the soles you've tested look like the arch area is pretty flexible. the Specialized soles look more firm and supportive than the rest, but i've tried soles with similar looking material and they are still a little more flexible than the superfeet.
here are a few pics comparing the insoles i have. from left to right, Superfeet Gray, Nike cycling soles from my MTB shoes, ShockDoctor hockey footbeds, and costech hockey footbeds.
sorry for the poor quality, my cell phone is the only camera i had. you can see how much more contour the Superfeet have in the heel area, and also the hard plastic heel cup in the last picture, as opposed to the heel molded into the rest of the soft insole material like the other beds.
i would give the superfeet grays a try. for hockey skates, nothing i've tried has come close to them.
the forefoot is pretty thin, but the heel cup is a very supportive hard plastic. i use them because my feet pronate on skates. at first i did not like the superfeet, as i actually pronated even more, but that was actually because my foot was protesting against arch support. after an hour or two, my feet adjusted and were perfectly level.
some people who aren't used to the arch support feel like there's a rock under their arch when first using them, but the foot adjusts.
all the soles you've tested look like the arch area is pretty flexible. the Specialized soles look more firm and supportive than the rest, but i've tried soles with similar looking material and they are still a little more flexible than the superfeet.
here are a few pics comparing the insoles i have. from left to right, Superfeet Gray, Nike cycling soles from my MTB shoes, ShockDoctor hockey footbeds, and costech hockey footbeds.
sorry for the poor quality, my cell phone is the only camera i had. you can see how much more contour the Superfeet have in the heel area, and also the hard plastic heel cup in the last picture, as opposed to the heel molded into the rest of the soft insole material like the other beds.
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I have had 3 operations on my toe for a Hammer Toe problem and it's still has some problems. I must have the museum of Orthotics, both custom and off the shelf. I also have a pair of Rocket 7 custom made Tri shoes. I found the Montrail CTX heat moldable insole are great. The mouldable part is the forefoot where most of the pressure in a bike shoe is and the most benifit will be. It has a good heel cup and arch support that is not overly high. BTW, watch the thickness of insoles behind the heel. Many will move your foot too far forward and need to be trimmed. I use the Sid Meg both road and MTn. and have a pair of Shimano Wide road shoes. I think alot of cyclists would be well served by using a wider shoe. Pressure on the sides of the foor can cause irratation of the Metatarsals or even lead to the HAmmertoe problem I encountered.
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Never used the Yoursoles for cycling but for running and hiking, they work as marketed.
Never used the Yoursoles for cycling but for running and hiking, they work as marketed.
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I had my footbeds made for me years ago by some guy at a ski shop for my ski boots. He took the footbeds heated them up and then placed them on a sheet of foam rubber and I stood on them. After they cooled they were now shaped to the bottom of my feet and were no longer flat on the underside of the footbed so he then added a hard foam like material to the bottoms and then sanded the bottom flat. Without doing this last step I don't see how a customized footbed can fully support you (especially if you have a high arch). I have been using them in my cycling shoes for years now and they work really well. You might want to go to a pro and have them made for you.
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As a follow-up Yoursole offered to exchange the product for another model. I didn't think I'd like the others any better for cycling so I requested 4 pair of their socks instead (which are quite nice). Overall they were more than willing to work with me on an acceptable solution so hat's off to them.
I may eventually try a pair of their thicker insoles in some casual dress shoes later on.
I may eventually try a pair of their thicker insoles in some casual dress shoes later on.
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I've been pretty happy with my Slim Sport Footbed in my Northwave Revenge shoes. I actually prefer the thin padding up front since I need a wide and tall toebox. I haven't had any hotspot issues, but everyone has different feed and insole needs. Good to hear Yoursole made the exchange for the socks.
Kids prefer watching Shrinky Dinks vs insoles cooking in the oven though.
Kids prefer watching Shrinky Dinks vs insoles cooking in the oven though.
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sole makes several versions with different thicknesses. the thinnest one (what you have) is not a good match for bike shoes IMHO as they have no padding. They are better for running shoes with ample cushion without their insole.
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I have to agree, I currently ride a pair of Northwave Aerator 3's and the wider toe box has solved my issues with numbing toes. I just ride the with the liner they provide.
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I add
1. socks that insure ventilation keep feet operating with better circulation and prevent swelling
2. don't over tighten forefoot or main arch laces or velcro straps for the same reason
3. wear jogging shoes or lace up street shoes to hold foot in place and allow for recovery between rides
4. getting metatarsal button in the right place makes a big difference. Not all insole/foot beds have them or put them in the right place. When I add them, I'd be an average baseball player in terms of hitting a home run with placement (.250)
5. I find a stiff sole better than more flexible shoes in biking and hiking. In both cases it protects from pedals and pebbles from pushing metatarsal bones out of position. I do get hotspots from not moving my foot around and flexing but much later in my ride (30 miles vs. 60 miles).
1. socks that insure ventilation keep feet operating with better circulation and prevent swelling
2. don't over tighten forefoot or main arch laces or velcro straps for the same reason
3. wear jogging shoes or lace up street shoes to hold foot in place and allow for recovery between rides
4. getting metatarsal button in the right place makes a big difference. Not all insole/foot beds have them or put them in the right place. When I add them, I'd be an average baseball player in terms of hitting a home run with placement (.250)
5. I find a stiff sole better than more flexible shoes in biking and hiking. In both cases it protects from pedals and pebbles from pushing metatarsal bones out of position. I do get hotspots from not moving my foot around and flexing but much later in my ride (30 miles vs. 60 miles).