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Old 04-04-07, 01:01 PM
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I think I hurt something.

I had a TT last night that I shouldnt have rode since I was sick.

10 miles on a fixed gear 52*15, the gear is a little big for this early in the season but I managed it(23 minute 10 mile)

Anyways the last kilometer I cramped in my left calf and powered through it, and well it still really hurts.

I had planned a 3-4 hour ride toady And I think I'm cutting that down to 45 minutes.

It only really hurts to flex it.

Any suggestions on making it feel better before this weekend of racing?
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Originally Posted by recneps
I had a TT last night that I shouldnt have rode since I was sick.
maybe should have been in English class instead

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It only really hurts to flex it.
Then don't flex it.

Massage, heat penetrating rub, and rest
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You either hurt yourself or you don't there shouldn't be any 'thinking,' about it.
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Good race! Where was it?
Sounds like you know you're hurt. Take care of yourself, rest, get treated if necessary. Good luck!
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26mph. Impressive. Is this on drop bars?
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Originally Posted by vpiuva
maybe should have been in English class instead


Massage, heat penetrating rub, and rest
This is not a complete sentence, and your punctuation sucks.
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Originally Posted by ratebeer
Good race! Where was it?
Sounds like you know you're hurt. Take care of yourself, rest, get treated if necessary. Good luck!
It was in Charlotte NC, no this is on a full TT bike with spoked wheels and a good aero position, no skinsuit, no TT helmet, but only one gear.

Dont, be decieved by the time, it's on a nascar race track, so its perfectly flat, about 10' of rise on one side and a headwind.
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You still have a lactic acid build up in your muscle. It'll be sore for about 3 days, each day should get progressively better though. Continue to massage it. If there is no progress within a week, i'd consult a doctor to make sure you didn't tear anything.
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Originally Posted by recneps
It was in Charlotte NC, no this is on a full TT bike with spoked wheels and a good aero position, no skinsuit, no TT helmet, but only one gear.

Dont, be decieved by the time, it's on a nascar race track, so its perfectly flat, about 10' of rise on one side and a headwind.

And yet you continue to prove my original point with each sentence you type.


But I will compliment you on your ride. Flat courses actually will have a slower pace than those with moderate rises and falls.
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Originally Posted by vpiuva
Flat courses actually will have a slower pace than those with moderate rises and falls.
This has been extensively debated.

Personally, I find your view very hard to understand. How could this possibly be the case?
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What kind of warm-up did you do?
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Originally Posted by recursive
This has been extensively debated.

Personally, I find your view very hard to understand. How could this possibly be the case?
The numbers wouldn't lie.

Is it possible for anyone to show a course comparison of same-distance TT courses in the same populous, metro area with about the same number of total riders with average times for the top 20 riders, controlling for wind and adjusting for temperature?

The default hypothesis would be that even moderately hilly TT courses would be slower.
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I think it will recquire amputation from the knee down on both legs. This will prevent cross infection of the bi-lateral appendages! Sorry!
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Originally Posted by recursive
This has been extensively debated.

Personally, I find your view very hard to understand. How could this possibly be the case?
What conclusions (if any) did the earlier debates reach?

I'm basing my statement on results obtained here over the years in state TT's. A local club pres used to hold (circuit) TT's at the "flattest spot in AL" and other not as flat areas around here, and the flat TT's average speeds were consistently lower. Granted, these trials were not held under conditions with scientifically controlled and measured variables such as wind speed and direction, and did not measure rider wattage output or control their pre-race diet, so this is not statistically conclusive proof. It just appears that the speed increase gained on the descents exceeded the loss experienced on the inclines. I would be interested to know what others have experienced.
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Originally Posted by Will G
What kind of warm-up did you do?
30 minutes on rollers, keeping my hr ~150. Ive never had a problem cramping before, I decided to take a full day off the bike since I am also still sick.
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nice ride rcneps, hope your leg heals quickly.

vpiuva, flat, no wind, out and back, the stuff records are made of.
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Originally Posted by vpiuva
What conclusions (if any) did the earlier debates reach?

I'm basing my statement on results obtained here over the years in state TT's. A local club pres used to hold (circuit) TT's at the "flattest spot in AL" and other not as flat areas around here, and the flat TT's average speeds were consistently lower. Granted, these trials were not held under conditions with scientifically controlled and measured variables such as wind speed and direction, and did not measure rider wattage output or control their pre-race diet, so this is not statistically conclusive proof. It just appears that the speed increase gained on the descents exceeded the loss experienced on the inclines. I would be interested to know what others have experienced.
Interesting to hear but it doesn't make sense under ideal conditions. My guess is either the flat courses were windier on average as you might expect, or there was some psychological factor that caused people to push harder overall such as not wanting to go 'slowly' up the hills, after all it is very hard for someone to put in max effort when they're riding alone so there should often be room for improvement purely due to their mindset.
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That course actually has a 20' change in elevation from frontside to backside, with crappy headwind on the frontside. Congrats, recneps! I was there, too!
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Originally Posted by YATES
You still have a lactic acid build up in your muscle. It'll be sore for about 3 days, each day should get progressively better though. ...
No, any excess lactic acid is flushed away within minutes of ceasing exercise. Pain is from muscle damage. We now have a much better understanding of the nature and importance of lactic acid, though the old myths are going to die very hard.

https://tinyurl.com/o5s3a

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Everyone who has even thought about exercising has heard the warnings about lactic acid. It builds up in your muscles. It is what makes your muscles burn. Its buildup is what makes your muscles tire and give out. ...

But that, it turns out, is all wrong. Lactic acid is actually a fuel, not a caustic waste product. Muscles make it deliberately, producing it from glucose, and they burn it to obtain energy. The reason trained athletes can perform so hard and so long is because their intense training causes their muscles to adapt so they more readily and efficiently absorb lactic acid. ...

As for the idea that lactic acid causes muscle soreness, Dr. Gladden said, that never made sense.

"Lactic acid will be gone from your muscles within an hour of exercise," he said. "You get sore one to three days later. The time frame is not consistent, and the mechanisms have not been found."
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