Ceramic Bearings - is It Really Necessary?
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Just the pulley bearings on my DuraAce RD. They look so cool. Gold anodized with white lettering 7075 AL
ceramic. Brand: Token
Personaly, I think they are a mechanical placebo, but the claim is more beneficial in slow speeds.
WOW...your $3000 rig and you do 7-8 mph for 2.3 miles. Cooking!
ceramic. Brand: Token
Personaly, I think they are a mechanical placebo, but the claim is more beneficial in slow speeds.
WOW...your $3000 rig and you do 7-8 mph for 2.3 miles. Cooking!
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People tend to focus so much on the bike and not on the engine. For the time hassle and cost of replacing bearings, you could get a good fitting or try a different handlebar or stem or something of this nature.
Riding position is the most important thing - for whatever kind of riding you're doing, the trick is to get the right one. If I was racing, for instance, I'd forgo the last $1000 in blingy components and spend that on getting fit and position and etc just right (bar/stem/saddle/seatpost/cleats/etc), because I am fairly sure that I'd be faster and happier with Tiagra and perfect position than with Dura-Ace and with whatever position was possible with what came with the bike.
YMMV. But according to me, anyway, optimize position first.
Riding position is the most important thing - for whatever kind of riding you're doing, the trick is to get the right one. If I was racing, for instance, I'd forgo the last $1000 in blingy components and spend that on getting fit and position and etc just right (bar/stem/saddle/seatpost/cleats/etc), because I am fairly sure that I'd be faster and happier with Tiagra and perfect position than with Dura-Ace and with whatever position was possible with what came with the bike.
YMMV. But according to me, anyway, optimize position first.
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Originally Posted by Winter76
Stallion, if you maintain your bottom bracket properly it shoudl last a long time regardless.
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Originally Posted by bjkeen
People tend to focus so much on the bike and not on the engine. For the time hassle and cost of replacing bearings, you could get a good fitting or try a different handlebar or stem or something of this nature.
Riding position is the most important thing - for whatever kind of riding you're doing, the trick is to get the right one. If I was racing, for instance, I'd forgo the last $1000 in blingy components and spend that on getting fit and position and etc just right (bar/stem/saddle/seatpost/cleats/etc), because I am fairly sure that I'd be faster and happier with Tiagra and perfect position than with Dura-Ace and with whatever position was possible with what came with the bike.
YMMV. But according to me, anyway, optimize position first.
Riding position is the most important thing - for whatever kind of riding you're doing, the trick is to get the right one. If I was racing, for instance, I'd forgo the last $1000 in blingy components and spend that on getting fit and position and etc just right (bar/stem/saddle/seatpost/cleats/etc), because I am fairly sure that I'd be faster and happier with Tiagra and perfect position than with Dura-Ace and with whatever position was possible with what came with the bike.
YMMV. But according to me, anyway, optimize position first.
The more you train, the better you'll ride - just look at Lance vs. Ulrich. Both had the best equipment available on this planet, with the support to match. The difference was Lance trained year around while Ulrich partied half the year. (Personally, I tend to subscribe to the Ulrich training method, so I'm not slamming him), but when it came down to crunch time, there is no question as to who was better prepared.
BTW, I believe Lance could have won last year's TDF going away........
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I think the better question is "Do they really need to be so ****ing expensive?"
#32
Originally Posted by roadgator
i was considering buying new. you can hustle in used parts if you're savvy, but i haven't seen any used ceramic bearings.
You hear about it all the time... a buddy of mine picked up a set of new Zipp carbon bars for 60 bucks... he'll use 'em for a year or two, and when he sells them, somebody will be grateful to pay him 90-100 for them...
Ceramics can be gotten very cheaply now, if you know where to look and when to buy. So cheaply, in fact, that what you pay for them new is less than the amount they will raise the value of a used bike by... at least in the Southern California market...
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Originally Posted by bjkeen
But according to me, anyway, optimize position first.
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I checked i think it was FSA's website and it said something about like a couple hundred feet difference over a mile...unless you're racing, this is not worth the dough.
EDIT: THIS WAS JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO
EDIT: THIS WAS JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO
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Originally Posted by Stallion
i heard ceramic bearings last a lot longer than normal steel bearings. So if you don't want to change your bottom bracket for a long time, its a good idea.
FWIW, I have yet to have my steel bearing (and square taper, horror of horrors) Campy Chorus BBs fail.... Come to think of it the el cheapo SR BB on my 15 year old Trek is holding in there too.
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Originally Posted by Revtor
If we rode around with no grease there would be a bigger difference.
#39
Originally Posted by bailcash09
I checked i think it was FSA's website and it said something about like a couple hundred feet difference over a mile...unless you're racing, this is not worth the dough.
EDIT: THIS WAS JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO
EDIT: THIS WAS JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO
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Originally Posted by sfrider
The thermal properties of ceramic balls are better too, they don't change in size with temperature the way steel does, nor do they get softer
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Once again, people are mistaking a small difference for NO difference.
There's a lot of data out there that ceramic bearings will save you a couple watts. This would translate into a few seconds, maybe minutes, over a long ride. If you're in a TT where the difference between podium and out of the money is tenths of a second, then yes, it's worth it. If you're racing a grand tour and need to be as fresh as you possibly can in the third week, then each little bit of energy saved counts.
Just because your riding doesn't meet those criteria doesn't mean that the data out there about ceramic bearings is hype. No, you're not going to go flying off the front of your 16mph recreational ride just because you bought ceramic bearings. I'm not going to start dominating the local Cat 4 peloton if I spend $1000+ on ceramic upgrades. That's our fault, not theirs.
There's a lot of data out there that ceramic bearings will save you a couple watts. This would translate into a few seconds, maybe minutes, over a long ride. If you're in a TT where the difference between podium and out of the money is tenths of a second, then yes, it's worth it. If you're racing a grand tour and need to be as fresh as you possibly can in the third week, then each little bit of energy saved counts.
Just because your riding doesn't meet those criteria doesn't mean that the data out there about ceramic bearings is hype. No, you're not going to go flying off the front of your 16mph recreational ride just because you bought ceramic bearings. I'm not going to start dominating the local Cat 4 peloton if I spend $1000+ on ceramic upgrades. That's our fault, not theirs.
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Originally Posted by Winter76
Thanks! That's my littlest guy enjoying a ride on his brother's playset from Make-a-Wish.
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Originally Posted by asgelle
Could you explain where in the 17 words of the original post you got the idea the poster hadn't optimized postiion?
Unplug the clog, dude.





