|
Originally Posted by mgmoore7
(Post 5837647)
How about some facts:
"Some breed information was reported for all 27 attacks. As in recent years, Rottweilers were the most commonly reported breed involved in fatal attacks, followed by pit bull-type dogs (Table 1). Together, these 2 breeds were involved in approximately 60% of human deaths." Quoted from: http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/dogbreeds.pdf "Many small dog owners overlook their dog's behavior because they are small and/or think they cannot hurt anyone. The truth is, little dogs bite more than big dogs." http://www.dogbite.org/pages/dogsmostlikely.html I agree with the statement that it's how you raise the dog that matters. I have a large mutt that was rescued and definitely abused (18" burn mark down its back) and can tear a tennis ball into shreds in less than 5 minutes, yet it is gentle (even with small children and other animals), puts up with anything you can dish out (pulling tail, smothering its face, etc.), won't take a piece of food out of another person or animal's mouth or plate (I've tested it), and respects the toys of other animals and people by not using them unless offered. You will never convince me that breed is the cause of violent behavior in dogs, just as race isn't the cause of violent behavior in humans. Oh, and for the record, I don't blame your father for shooting in self defense. That's completely justified in my book. |
Oh, and I love this quote. LOL
"If you believe a dog is about to attack you, try to place something between you and the dog such as a backpack or a bicycle" http://www.invisiblefence.com/pet_ce...NL_Vol4No4.pdf |
Originally Posted by Doctor Who
(Post 5838342)
I don't get it. Some guy talks about how he mildly teases his dog and you and AbsoluteZ3R0 think that he deserves to die.
What the ****? I believe I stated that he deserves to be hit by a car, not die. also, he never used the word mild, but he did use the word hate. you should learn to read before passing judgement |
Originally Posted by urbanknight
(Post 5838351)
You need to learn how to read statistics. This is FATAL attacks. Of course Rottweilers and Pit Bulls will have the largest numbers of deaths. Do you know how difficult it is for a Chihuahua to kill a person?
"Many small dog owners overlook their dog's behavior because they are small and/or think they cannot hurt anyone. The truth is, little dogs bite more than big dogs." http://www.dogbite.org/pages/dogsmostlikely.html I agree with the statement that it's how you raise the dog that matters. I have a large mutt that was rescued and definitely abused (18" burn mark down its back) and can tear a tennis ball into shreds in less than 5 minutes, yet it is gentle (even with small children and other animals), puts up with anything you can dish out (pulling tail, smothering its face, etc.), won't take a piece of food out of another person or animal's mouth or plate (I've tested it), and respects the toys of other animals and people by not using them unless offered. You will never convince me that breed is the cause of violent behavior in dogs, just as race isn't the cause of violent behavior in humans. Oh, and for the record, I don't blame your father for shooting in self defense. That's completely justified in my book. The breeds that seem to chase me are at the top of the list for fatal attacks. My experience seems to closely match the statistics offered. And it's not just about getting bit. My worst wreck was caused when a pack of dogs gave chase, and one ran right in front of my front wheel. Boom! I don't think I've been chased by a Chihuahua, but I HAVE been chased by pits, dobermans, and shepards. Don't get me wrong, I like dogs. But when they start chasing me (usually at the base of a climb!),I really don't have the time nor the inclination to start wondering about the pooch's upbringing or history of past abuse, or the owner's dog education skills and relationship with said pooch, etc. I generally have only time to think "Hmmm...sprint or fight??" DPN |
Originally Posted by Doctor Who
(Post 5838342)
I don't get it. Some guy talks about how he mildly teases his dog and you and AbsoluteZ3R0 think that he deserves to die.
What the ****? http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u...uy/Francis.jpg |
+1 on moron owners...
- we ride down in alligator country... over the past year, we've encountered numerous numbskull dog owners allowing their dogs to chase squirrels and run free across the path in the park and next to the waterline of impoundments containing gators... - in the past two months: my riding buddy has been knocked off his bike by a running dog (not attacked) in November; earlier this month we ran across a couple with 6 (six!) small dogs, three of them puppies, running free with no leashes literally yards from the water's edge... - and two days ago, two oblivious a55hats were walking 7 (seven!) dogs, completely blocking the path - and then got upset when we slowed down, yelled 'coming through!' rang our bells, and moved through the pack (they didn't move to either side to allow us to get through - i got slobbered on the calf)... - and i've seen plenty of folks who think it's 'cute' to let Fido walk around off the leash - then lunge and grab for the leash when they think we cyclists are going to endanger their 'baby'... - and to the dog owners who don't pick up their pet's waste: that stuff is going into the groundwater! - other morons i've encountered down here in public was one lady in Bed Bath and Beyond who decided to take her dog shopping, let it crap in the cart, then left the cart by the front door when asked to leave by a clerk... another twit took her miniature on a shopping tour of Target, then got upset when asked to leave by the manager... and the worse of all to me was the stupid fool taking her large, moulting parrot on her shoulder through the local Lowe's (that thing looked nasty, and had crapped down the back of her T-shirt)... - but i do have to say that the majority of dog owners i've encountered have been responsible and friendly... it's the one or two that ruin the rep of the majority... JMHO... |
Originally Posted by minivandriveby
(Post 5838148)
I'm sure there were other reasons, the least of them dogs. :eek:
The dog threads always seem to bring out the gun/mace carrying people. My argument to that whole idea is this: Anyone who has enough time to pull out and use whatever they're carrying has enough time to pedal the f##k out of the situation. The second post by lowcel was poignant. Indeed, the owners of these beasts are the ones to be afraid of. Stay alive: Practice your sprints and keep the toys at home fellas. |
Originally Posted by DPN
(Post 5838481)
... But when they start chasing me (usually at the base of a climb!),I really don't have the time nor the inclination to start wondering about the pooch's upbringing or history of past abuse, or the owner's dog education skills and relationship with said pooch, etc...
Example: 88% of serial killers are males. 98% of ******* are males. Should we not allow male humans to exist?
Originally Posted by DPN
(Post 5838481)
I don't think I've been chased by a Chihuahua, but I HAVE been chased by pits, dobermans, and shepards.
Being accustomed to dogs, I'm not as worried about being bitten as much as I am worried that the dog (large or small) is going to take my wheel out. That's why stopping is better than riding through in my opinion. |
Originally Posted by mgmoore7
(Post 5837647)
How about some facts:
"Some breed information was reported for all 27 attacks. As in recent years, Rottweilers were the most commonly reported breed involved in fatal attacks, followed by pit bull-type dogs (Table 1). Together, these 2 breeds were involved in approximately 60% of human deaths." Quoted from: http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/dogbreeds.pdf |
Originally Posted by urbanknight
(Post 5838351)
You need to learn how to read statistics. This is FATAL attacks. Of course Rottweilers and Pit Bulls will have the largest numbers of deaths. Do you know how difficult it is for a Chihuahua to kill a person?
"Many small dog owners overlook their dog's behavior because they are small and/or think they cannot hurt anyone. The truth is, little dogs bite more than big dogs." http://www.dogbite.org/pages/dogsmostlikely.html Oh, and for the record, I don't blame your father for shooting in self defense. That's completely justified in my book. |
Originally Posted by urbanknight
(Post 5838351)
Do you know how difficult it is for a Chihuahua to kill a person?
http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2...age557042x.jpg ... Brad |
Has anyone had any luck with the "Dazer" type dog-repellent?
Clip it to your waistline or bike, press the button, it emits an ultrasonic pitch that's supposedly harsh to dogs and makes 'em back off. (Hurts my ears, too -- hmm...) |
Originally Posted by dcbikeguy
(Post 5838519)
You just made the list buddy.
... Brad |
Originally Posted by AbsoluteZ3RO
(Post 5838461)
I believe I stated that he deserves to be hit by a car, not die. also, he never used the word mild, but he did use the word hate. you should learn to read before passing judgement
Anyway, let's ignore the fact that putting a glass bowl, or whatever, over a tennis ball so that a dog becomes confused is cruelty towards animals. I don't see it that way, I'm pretty sure the OP doesn't see it that way, but the two of you do. That's fine. However, to assert that the OP, for the virtue of practicing said behavior, ought to get hit by a car, and then backed-over, is stupid. I know you're just trying to flame, but whatever, that's usually what I do too. :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by minivandriveby
(Post 5838335)
Racist punk. :fight:
You might as well call me a racist because I believe blacks are more likely to have sickle cell anemia. |
Originally Posted by mgmoore7
(Post 5838570)
I understand the statistics. It still proves the same point. I can't imagine that the statistics would be any different if you put some sort of degree on the damage done. Obviously a small dog may bite more but the wound is much less and it is much easier to defend yourself.
Originally Posted by BostonRoadee
(Post 5838591)
Has anyone had any luck with the "Dazer" type dog-repellent?
Clip it to your waistline or bike, press the button, it emits an ultrasonic pitch that's supposedly harsh to dogs and makes 'em back off. (Hurts my ears, too -- hmm...) |
Originally Posted by urbanknight
(Post 5838537)
That's the exact point I was trying to make. It doesn't matter the breed. All that matters that it's chasing you. I'm just sick of people saying that x type of animal shouldn't be allowed to exist just because some of its representatives are dangerous.
Example: 88% of serial killers are males. 98% of ******* are males. Should we not allow male humans to exist? Amazingly enough, I have only been chased by a Jack Russel and a Pomeranian. As I would do with a larger dog, I stopped and put my bike between myself and the dog. Large or small, it's teeth will meet metal before it will meet my flesh. Being accustomed to dogs, I'm not as worried about being bitten as much as I am worried that the dog (large or small) is going to take my wheel out. That's why stopping is better than riding through in my opinion. I'm glad you've been fortunate...but one day, when there's a truly viscious pit or doberman just aching to take a big bite out of your neck, you may rethink the bit about stopping and putting your bike in between you and the dog, 'cause he's after MEAT, not carbon fiber or steel or aluminum...I read the same thing long ago, and even tried it. Right... Theories always look great on paper, but when a 90 pound carnivorous predator is after you, bent on getting a little taste, you'll see that the 'ol bike frame ain't exactly the best protection, and after you've thrown the bike at the dog, then what will you do? DPN |
Originally Posted by Doctor Who
(Post 5838601)
Yeah, of course he didn't say any of that. I'm just inferring from post content as to the original intent of all that's been said thus far. My mistake. :rolleyes:
Anyway, let's ignore the fact that putting a glass bowl, or whatever, over a tennis ball so that a dog becomes confused is cruelty towards animals. I don't see it that way, I'm pretty sure the OP doesn't see it that way, but the two of you do. That's fine. However, to assert that the OP, for the virtue of practicing said behavior, ought to get hit by a car, and then backed-over, is stupid. I know you're just trying to flame, but whatever, that's usually what I do too. :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by urbanknight
(Post 5838634)
Maybe I'm not clear on your argument then. Large dogs have a higher potential for damage so they should not be allowed to exist? Humans can cause more harm than any dog, as can be seen by your father and his gun. Please rephrase your point.
My experience is that no one thing is effective against all dogs. They have their own personalities and therefore different things work with different dogs. I can tell you that my dog loves to "attack" anything that makes a high pitched, electronic noise. I suppose the good thing in that case is he'd bite your Dazer instead of you, but it wouldn't really work as a repellent. :D Here is a quote from here that I think states my point better than I can. http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html Merritt Clifton, editor of Animal People, has conducted an unusually detailed study of dog bites from 1982 to the present. (Clifton, Dog attack deaths and maimings, U.S. & Canada, September 1982 to November 13, 2006; click here to read it.) The Clifton study show the number of serious canine-inflicted injuries by breed. The author's observations about the breeds and generally how to deal with the dangerous dog problem are enlightening. According to the Clifton study, pit bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios and their mixes are responsible for 74% of attacks that were included in the study, 68% of the attacks upon children, 82% of the attacks upon adults, 65% of the deaths, and 68% of the maimings. In more than two-thirds of the cases included in the study, the life-threatening or fatal attack was apparently the first known dangerous behavior by the animal in question. Clifton states: If almost any other dog has a bad moment, someone may get bitten, but will not be maimed for life or killed, and the actuarial risk is accordingly reasonable. If a pit bull terrier or a Rottweiler has a bad moment, often someone is maimed or killed--and that has now created off-the-chart actuarial risk, for which the dogs as well as their victims are paying the price. Clifton's opinions are as interesting as his statistics. For example, he says, "Pit bulls and Rottweilers are accordingly dogs who not only must be handled with special precautions, but also must be regulated with special requirements appropriate to the risk they may pose to the public and other animals, if they are to be kept at all." |
What a bunch of girls you guys are. I have yet to come across a chasing/charging dog that I couldn't stop with a squirt from the water bottle.
I can usually get them from over 10 feet away and I don't even have to break my stride. |
Originally Posted by DPN
(Post 5838694)
I'm glad you've been fortunate...but one day, when there's a truly viscious pit or doberman just aching to take a big bite out of your neck, you may rethink the bit about stopping and putting your bike in between you and the dog, 'cause he's after MEAT, not carbon fiber or steel or aluminum...I read the same thing long ago, and even tried it. Right...
Theories always look great on paper, but when a 90 pound carnivorous predator is after you, bent on getting a little taste, you'll see that the 'ol bike frame ain't exactly the best protection, and after you've thrown the bike at the dog, then what will you do? DPN My actions are based on statistics. Chances are the dog is trying to play chase. Sprinting away will excite the dog and make the chase more aggressive. Stopping ends the game. You're right that this may not always be the case, but crashing at 30 mph when a dog catches me is just as bad as getting a chunk of flesh taken out of my leg, and the latter is less likely so I'll risk that one. As for the bike, I don't plan on throwing it. More of a shield, if you will. |
Originally Posted by mgmoore7
(Post 5838757)
Restate: Hmmmm... Not larger dogs, just dogs that have a tendency to attack. While a lab might chase you, would it attack, not likely. If a rot chases you, would it attack, not sure but the statistics prove that it is much more likley that it will? It is not about large vs small as much as the nature of the dog and/or how it was trained. Even it a small dog is trained to attack, it is unlikely to do anywhere near the damage of a larger dog.
|
Whatever. If some dumb dog choses to come at me I'm going to make damn certain I either kill it or seriously hurt it because I sure as hell ain't taking the chance fido wants to play.
|
Originally Posted by MacMan
(Post 5839057)
Whatever. If some dumb dog choses to come at me I'm going to make damn certain I either kill it or seriously hurt it because I sure as hell ain't taking the chance fido wants to play.
|
Originally Posted by urbanknight
(Post 5838880)
I have had a 70-80 lb dog attack my dog while I was walking it. I yelled at it with my arms held wide and the dog cowered away. My dog loves chasing and being chased by dogs, but it doesn't mean he wants a taste of flesh. You are ASSUMING that any dog chasing you is trying to eat you, while I know of no such cases in which dogs have actually COMSUMED human flesh. Meat was a poor choice of words if you ask me.
My actions are based on statistics. Chances are the dog is trying to play chase. Sprinting away will excite the dog and make the chase more aggressive. Stopping ends the game. You're right that this may not always be the case, but crashing at 30 mph when a dog catches me is just as bad as getting a chunk of flesh taken out of my leg, and the latter is less likely so I'll risk that one. As for the bike, I don't plan on throwing it. More of a shield, if you will. And now you know of a case of a dog eating human flesh... As for preferring a crash over a bite...you last had rabies treatments when? |
| All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:41 PM. |
Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.