thinking of switching to campy...
#76
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 180
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Argument that campy is behind shimano in terms of technology is equally absurd. The fact that campy arrived at lever-integrated shifters after shimano is perfectly compensated by the fact that campy arrived at the 10-speed stop first.
Price wise, if I was starting from nothing to arrive at 10sp divetrain, campy is clearly cheaper.
#77
Isohumulone
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Flanders, Belgium
Posts: 67
Bikes: Trek 5200, Scatto Flite
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
#78
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 180
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
If you're going to reference a former Fed Chairman, at least get it right: VOLCKER, as in Paul Volcker.
And your policy recommendation? It may help the US$ appreciate a bit, but it would cause a helluva recession...If we're going into a recession now, 16% interest rates would get us into a genuine mess. And if you really have $60k in Shimano stock, that won't help you a bit.
And your policy recommendation? It may help the US$ appreciate a bit, but it would cause a helluva recession...If we're going into a recession now, 16% interest rates would get us into a genuine mess. And if you really have $60k in Shimano stock, that won't help you a bit.
I would hope, however, that someone at the helm will let the fire burn for a while rather than keep creating bubble after bubble by overaccomodating.
As for shimano stock - I thought it was a great buy a month ago and think its an even better buy today, after 6 percent fall in spx. Despite that, I would like to try campy
#79
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 2,393
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times
in
2 Posts
[QUOTE=qw1a;6023149]Yes, I was talking about the former head of the fed and forgive my spelling - I am posting from a blackberry. It's not my job to set monetary policy, my job is to make money for my firm and myself. So far BB demonstrated himself as a complete and predictable wuss, making it fairly easy to make money in this environment.
You're a trained economist? What are your credentials?
I would hope, however, that someone at the helm will let the fire burn for a while rather than keep creating bubble after bubble by overaccomodating.
A 16% interest rate would not "let the fire burn;" it would snuff it out.
You're a trained economist? What are your credentials?
I would hope, however, that someone at the helm will let the fire burn for a while rather than keep creating bubble after bubble by overaccomodating.
A 16% interest rate would not "let the fire burn;" it would snuff it out.
#80
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 107
Bikes: 2007 Bianchi 1885 Veloce, 2003 Specialized Rockhopper, 2006 Rocky Mountain Slayer 50, 2006 Electra Ratrod
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Test ride bikes with the different groups and go with the one that feels best. I did and I like the shifter ergonomics of SRAM and Campy over Shimano.
In the end I went with Campy Veloce with SRAM Rival a close second (anything better was beyond my budget). I could have bought an Ultegra equipped bike for what the Veloce equipped bike cost as road bikes with shimano groups are always on clearance this time of year.
Performance wise they all do the same task well. I just liked the way the Campy shifters felt and worked. But I must say that I was temped by SRAM.
In the end I went with Campy Veloce with SRAM Rival a close second (anything better was beyond my budget). I could have bought an Ultegra equipped bike for what the Veloce equipped bike cost as road bikes with shimano groups are always on clearance this time of year.
Performance wise they all do the same task well. I just liked the way the Campy shifters felt and worked. But I must say that I was temped by SRAM.
#82
Senior Member
Originally Posted by rousseau
Erm...it's been a while since I darkened the door of a world religions class, but I'd rather suspect that the Italians would be the Catholic ones, and the Japanese would tend to be Buddhist. I think your application of the ecclesiastical here is a bit confused.
And yes, the Japanese (East Asians in general, in fact) aren't theologically dogmatic the way we are, and will pray at different shrines depending on their moods, but my point still stands, and yours doesn't, never mind the notion of "sisters" lighting candles for a Shimanoesque saint.
Go Campy!
#83
Ho-Jahm
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Manchester, NH
Posts: 4,228
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Sorry something in my *cough*iphone*cough* throat.
#84
.
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 40,375
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 15 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 27 Times
in
12 Posts
I did not say "everyone", I said "people", as in "some" rather that "all". Amrican racing communitys preference for shimano is skewed by the fact that almost all of the bikes here come prebuilt with shimano. If you look all over the world, you might have a different picture. For instance, a quick look at bikes of the pros supports my conclusion. European riders like campy more, for whatever reason.
guess what sparky. the reason why those pro are riding campagnolo (and shimano and sram for that matter) is that campagnolo, shimano, and sram sponsor them.
duh.
Argument that campy is behind shimano in terms of technology is equally absurd. The fact that campy arrived at lever-integrated shifters after shimano is perfectly compensated by the fact that campy arrived at the 10-speed stop first.
Price wise, if I was starting from nothing to arrive at 10sp divetrain, campy is clearly cheaper.
Price wise, if I was starting from nothing to arrive at 10sp divetrain, campy is clearly cheaper.
#85
CERVEL-LIZED!
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 1,696
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
What do 25 year old components have to do with this discussion outside of one of you predictably busting my balls for riding that stuff at one time?
P.S. Suntour Superbe stuff was superb. Are you starting to see a pattern here? Three little words: Made in Japan. And the most astonishing aspect of that is that when I was a kid in the 60's, that was associated with low quality. Things change. Now made in Taiwan is starting to lose its negative connotations. Maybe that's because half of the highest quality brand names in the world outsource their manufacturing there.
P.S. Suntour Superbe stuff was superb. Are you starting to see a pattern here? Three little words: Made in Japan. And the most astonishing aspect of that is that when I was a kid in the 60's, that was associated with low quality. Things change. Now made in Taiwan is starting to lose its negative connotations. Maybe that's because half of the highest quality brand names in the world outsource their manufacturing there.
actually more than half I honestly think. On the most recent Ride Magazine...even Orbea has finally put an alternate facility in Taiwan.
#86
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 180
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
[QUOTE=Coyote2;6023232]
To the first question - no formal economics training (phd in physics), but 10 years of risk-taking experience in top financial firms. As for bb being an inexperienced wuss - compare him to king or trichet.
As for o/n rate and fire - this country is going to see stagflation soon, just like the 70s.
On topic - going with sram red.
You're a trained economist? What are your credentials?
I would hope, however, that someone at the helm will let the fire burn for a while rather than keep creating bubble after bubble by overaccomodating.
A 16% interest rate would not "let the fire burn;" it would snuff it out.
I would hope, however, that someone at the helm will let the fire burn for a while rather than keep creating bubble after bubble by overaccomodating.
A 16% interest rate would not "let the fire burn;" it would snuff it out.
As for o/n rate and fire - this country is going to see stagflation soon, just like the 70s.
On topic - going with sram red.
#87
CERVEL-LIZED!
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 1,696
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
#88
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 2,393
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times
in
2 Posts
qwa's quote:
[QUOTE=qw1a;6023732]
That's the problem with social sciences vs physical sciences: I have decades of experience with gravity, velocity, and force but still don't presume to have a great understanding of physics -- but plenty of people presume that their experience in the economy (we all take part in it, after all) gives them an understanding of economics. I'm sure you understand your own little niche, but even that understanding probably is rather skewed by your own self-interest.
[QUOTE=qw1a;6023732]
To the first question - no formal economics training (phd in physics), but 10 years of risk-taking experience in top financial firms. As for bb being an inexperienced wuss - compare him to king or trichet.
As for o/n rate and fire - this country is going to see stagflation soon, just like the 70s.
On topic - going with sram red.
As for o/n rate and fire - this country is going to see stagflation soon, just like the 70s.
On topic - going with sram red.
#89
pan y agua
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Jacksonville
Posts: 31,303
Bikes: Willier Zero 7; Merlin Extralight; Calfee Dragonfly tandem, Calfee Adventure tandem; Cervelo P2; Motebecane Ti Fly 29er; Motebecanne Phantom Cross; Schwinn Paramount Track bike
Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1447 Post(s)
Liked 727 Times
in
372 Posts
I did not say "everyone", I said "people", as in "some" rather that "all". Amrican racing communitys preference for shimano is skewed by the fact that almost all of the bikes here come prebuilt with shimano. If you look all over the world, you might have a different picture. For instance, a quick look at bikes of the pros supports my conclusion. European riders like campy more, for whatever reason.
Argument that campy is behind shimano in terms of technology is equally absurd. The fact that campy arrived at lever-integrated shifters after shimano is perfectly compensated by the fact that campy arrived at the 10-speed stop first.
Price wise, if I was starting from nothing to arrive at 10sp divetrain, campy is clearly cheaper.
Argument that campy is behind shimano in terms of technology is equally absurd. The fact that campy arrived at lever-integrated shifters after shimano is perfectly compensated by the fact that campy arrived at the 10-speed stop first.
Price wise, if I was starting from nothing to arrive at 10sp divetrain, campy is clearly cheaper.
#90
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Alameda, CA
Posts: 1,093
Bikes: Cannondale CAAD7
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
I just don't like the idea of shifting with my thumb cuz I usually use my thumb to stabilize my hands on the hoods.
#91
Senior Member
Go Campy!
#92
Guest
Posts: n/a
Mentioned: Post(s)
Tagged: Thread(s)
Quoted: Post(s)
So I guess my contention is that your perceived requirement for 'thumb stabilization' shouldn't preclude you from considering Campagnolo primarily because I believe it is a redundant need on a bicycle were you to be utilising it in the correct manner.
But I don't really have a clue what I am on about so yeah ignore me.
#93
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 4,201
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Comparing the wrong sets of numbers doesn't help your case. So much for less than charming ignorance.
__________________
#95
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 180
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
On topic - while my Mrs was supporting the economy, I stopped by the "fancy" store and played with sram-equipped bike. The whole double-action shifting idea is very, very neat and I can keep my wheels and casettes!
#96
dig dig dig
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Chicago
Posts: 878
Bikes: Full Fendered Bareknuckle, Faggin with 10spd Centaur, 1973 Raleigh 3spd Cruiser.
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Tomorrow I take my first ride on the my Centaur equipped bike. Will be the first time riding a good geared bike, well... ever. I've been riding track on the streets for 3 years, and a ****ty hybrid for 2 before that. But these arguments are great, almost like a right/left wing polarized battle to the death.