Campagnolo Record '09!
06-03-08, 08:30 AM
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I can't wait to see people in my club ride with dead batteries in the middle of the ride. Electronic shifting is the most moronic idea I have seen in a long time...
06-03-08, 08:30 AM
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well if ive missed something then ill blame it on the guys who are trying to sell me on the srams but from what ive seen and what they have showed me thats just what i have expressed here
06-03-08, 08:36 AM
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oh yeah sure... like the 3 up 1 down really makes any sense.
its like sram designed the downgearing on a friday and when they came back on monday they went right into the sweep upgearing and then finished it at that
And with no FD trim... welcome to the noise!!!!
the sram marketing people must be laughing that people actually would pay more for a system that does less
its like sram designed the downgearing on a friday and when they came back on monday they went right into the sweep upgearing and then finished it at that
And with no FD trim... welcome to the noise!!!!
the sram marketing people must be laughing that people actually would pay more for a system that does less
I ride Shimano, Camy and Sram. I have no issues with any of them.
06-03-08, 08:37 AM
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06-03-08, 08:39 AM
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06-03-08, 08:42 AM
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Ok, new DA looks like SRAM. Yeah...I'll take the SRAM instead I think.
I love Campy but if that is the new Campy it's even uglier then Shimano. I'll be keeping my '06 era Record for a while I guess.
I love Campy but if that is the new Campy it's even uglier then Shimano. I'll be keeping my '06 era Record for a while I guess.
06-03-08, 08:51 AM
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Ridden? Sounds like he hasn't even read about it.
06-03-08, 09:44 AM
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I dont think you get it. SRAM is "ONLY" 3 up 1 down. Meaning you CANT go up 1 gear if you wanted to. If you wanted to go up 1 gear you would have to sweep up 3 then do 2 more small clicks down to get to the gear you wanted.
Thats 3 extra functions you have to make on the SRAM just to do 1 on the DA... dumb!
At least Shimano lets you go 1 up and 1 down including the 3 up.
You want more shifting work??? go SRAM!
How can it be an improvement when you have to work more to sift efficiently?
Thats 3 extra functions you have to make on the SRAM just to do 1 on the DA... dumb!
At least Shimano lets you go 1 up and 1 down including the 3 up.
You want more shifting work??? go SRAM!
How can it be an improvement when you have to work more to sift efficiently?
Right now I am basking in the warmth of it's inaccuracies and your steadfast ability to state them so authoratatively.
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06-03-08, 09:56 AM
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but its ok they will always be a small player and like the mac puter they will always think they are better because their percentage of ownership barely touches shimano or campy
In fact, the schramms really dont do much of their own r&d anyways. They'd rather buy companies that specialize in drivetrains and wheel making and then claim its their own.
It took decades for shimano and campy to get where they are. Scharmmers are only copy cat wannabe's that want the success and technology of decades of r&d done overnight. Guess thats the american way
but its ok they will always be a small player and like the mac puter they will always think they are better because their percentage of ownership barely touches shimano or campy
In fact, the schramms really dont do much of their own r&d anyways. They'd rather buy companies that specialize in drivetrains and wheel making and then claim its their own.
It took decades for shimano and campy to get where they are. Scharmmers are only copy cat wannabe's that want the success and technology of decades of r&d done overnight. Guess thats the american way
06-03-08, 10:03 AM
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but its ok they will always be a small player and like the mac puter they will always think they are better because their percentage of ownership barely touches shimano or campy
In fact, the schramms really dont do much of their own r&d anyways. They'd rather buy companies that specialize in drivetrains and wheel making and then claim its their own.
It took decades for shimano and campy to get where they are. Scharmmers are only copy cat wannabe's that want the success and technology of decades of r&d done overnight. Guess thats the american way
but its ok they will always be a small player and like the mac puter they will always think they are better because their percentage of ownership barely touches shimano or campy
In fact, the schramms really dont do much of their own r&d anyways. They'd rather buy companies that specialize in drivetrains and wheel making and then claim its their own.
It took decades for shimano and campy to get where they are. Scharmmers are only copy cat wannabe's that want the success and technology of decades of r&d done overnight. Guess thats the american way
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I dont think you get it. SRAM is "ONLY" 3 up 1 down. Meaning you CANT go up 1 gear if you wanted to. If you wanted to go up 1 gear you would have to sweep up 3 then do 2 more small clicks down to get to the gear you wanted.
Thats 3 extra functions you have to make on the SRAM just to do 1 on the DA... dumb!
At least Shimano lets you go 1 up and 1 down including the 3 up.
You want more shifting work??? go SRAM!
How can it be an improvement when you have to work more to sift efficiently?
yep, theres no lever trim while your riding.
Thats 3 extra functions you have to make on the SRAM just to do 1 on the DA... dumb!
At least Shimano lets you go 1 up and 1 down including the 3 up.
You want more shifting work??? go SRAM!
How can it be an improvement when you have to work more to sift efficiently?
yep, theres no lever trim while your riding.
If it worked as you're describing, none of the pro teams (nor anyone else) would ever use the stuff. And neither would I.
And yes, there is trim. I don't know what you mean by "lever trim", but there's trim, and it's controlled by the shift lever.
You really should go actually try the stuff before you spout off about it.
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06-03-08, 10:32 AM
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but its ok they will always be a small player and like the mac puter they will always think they are better because their percentage of ownership barely touches shimano or campy
In fact, the schramms really dont do much of their own r&d anyways. They'd rather buy companies that specialize in drivetrains and wheel making and then claim its their own.
It took decades for shimano and campy to get where they are. Scharmmers are only copy cat wannabe's that want the success and technology of decades of r&d done overnight. Guess thats the american way
but its ok they will always be a small player and like the mac puter they will always think they are better because their percentage of ownership barely touches shimano or campy
In fact, the schramms really dont do much of their own r&d anyways. They'd rather buy companies that specialize in drivetrains and wheel making and then claim its their own.
It took decades for shimano and campy to get where they are. Scharmmers are only copy cat wannabe's that want the success and technology of decades of r&d done overnight. Guess thats the american way
I would agree that setting a goal, working hard, acquiring the needed tools and resources through perserverence to become a dominant player in a tight, traditional, 2 branded market is the American way.
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06-03-08, 10:37 AM
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Those campy pics remind me of the current DA with how far they protrude from the handlebars. Personally, I think they all look pretty crappy, but I'm sure that in a year this board will be full of campophiles talking about how great it looks. The Shimano crowd will probably have some comments about how they buy based on function not look. The Sram crowd will have just enough members to run around like my little brother and jump in on the shimano/campy arguments just long enough to say that the answer is neither and then run off again.
06-03-08, 10:45 AM
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Those campy pics remind me of the current DA with how far they protrude from the handlebars. Personally, I think they all look pretty crappy, but I'm sure that in a year this board will be full of campophiles talking about how great it looks. The Shimano crowd will probably have some comments about how they buy based on function not look. The Sram crowd will have just enough members to run around like my little brother and jump in on the shimano/campy arguments just long enough to say that the answer is neither and then run off again.
06-03-08, 10:49 AM
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Those campy pics remind me of the current DA with how far they protrude from the handlebars. Personally, I think they all look pretty crappy, but I'm sure that in a year this board will be full of campophiles talking about how great it looks. The Shimano crowd will probably have some comments about how they buy based on function not look.
06-03-08, 03:40 PM
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If you look closely you'll see it does have thumbshifters, but this is the electronic gruppo and they are buttons instead of levers.
06-03-08, 03:53 PM
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I'd switch to Campy if it lost the thumb shifters. I can't stand that, one of the main reasons i sold my Sora bike after 3 months in favor of 105.
06-03-08, 04:07 PM
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I find it highly unlikely that Sora's thumb shifting is anywhere near the same, as say, a Record or Chorus brifter.
06-03-08, 04:25 PM
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I dont think you get it. SRAM is "ONLY" 3 up 1 down. Meaning you CANT go up 1 gear if you wanted to. If you wanted to go up 1 gear you would have to sweep up 3 then do 2 more small clicks down to get to the gear you wanted.
Thats 3 extra functions you have to make on the SRAM just to do 1 on the DA... dumb!
At least Shimano lets you go 1 up and 1 down including the 3 up.
You want more shifting work??? go SRAM!
Thats 3 extra functions you have to make on the SRAM just to do 1 on the DA... dumb!
At least Shimano lets you go 1 up and 1 down including the 3 up.
You want more shifting work??? go SRAM!
06-03-08, 04:28 PM
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06-03-08, 04:34 PM
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I can not shift the Sora in the drops but can my Record...
The paddles are different...
Ummm...
Why am I even answering this...
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