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I mean, it is made up of steel.

Most of the weight of a bicycle is in the components, wheels, tires, etc. Steel frames can be very light, if you use the right tubing.

so you are saying it's trust worthy?

ok thanks very much. i'm a beginner

Trust worthy as a bicycle or trust worthy as a weight estimate?

It looks trust worthy as a bicycle.
I would venture to say it weighs around 20-23lbs in total though. So the estimate in the auction isn't too far off.

Good luck!

A few pointer that it MAY be 20lbs- Tange Double butted Tubing is not heavy- A sprinkling of good components in there. And nothing that I can see would not be up to Standard. Just don't bid too high and make certain the size is within your fitting range.

My first reaction was, why the heck not? There's a lot of really light (for steel) modern steel product out there, and with a really light gruppo like a Campy Record, why not? But now I see the gruppo is 105, with a lot of SR appointments, so, .... I think I share your skepticism!

My '83 Mondonico with SL tubing, a mixed Campy 10 speed build, and no carbon is 21.4 (just weighed it), and modern Mondos are lighter tubing, and certainly a carbon-based Record gruppo would shave at least a pound - assuming nice light 1550 g wheels like mine are.

So I think a good steel bike could beat 20 #, but I tend to doubt that one does, in reality.

well, the guy's 100% positive feedback with 1300+ stars.

thanks

I'm 5'10" with average length limbs. I think it's a good fit do you?

Oh sorry, I saw a lot of bikes with aluminum frames and even carbon forks weighing over 23lbs. So i figure, they both a lighter than steel, so the steel must weigh more than 23lbs.

but i'm a beginner though what do i know.

thanks

No, I doubt that particular bike is 20lbs. It's an older bike made from simple Chrome-moly tubing with, presumably, older components. It looks like a nice ride, but I would expect weight to be 25+ pounds. Maybe more.

looks Ok, weight isnt everything.

Height isn't the main criterion, it's your inseam for frame size (seat tube 2/3 of the inseam to start) and your proportions, position, fitness, and flexibility for the TT length.

If the seat tube c-c (or effective seat tube if the TT is sloped) is within a cm of 2/3 of your inseam, you have a pretty good chance of making it work. If it's a bit on the large side, I think that's better.

BTW on ebay, the number of plusses does not mean the seller actually weighed the bike.

Road Fan

Ok, i used measured my inseam and google how to do to make sure i did it right and it is 34 inches. will it fit?

I'd give it 20-21 lbs. Don't forget how much more STI weighs than the down tube shifters on that bike. My larger 62cm Bridgestone from that era weighed 22 lbs before I upgraded to STI.

Paramounts were nice frames. My current steel Ritchey frame weighs 3.4 lbs, which is competitive with a lot of mid-level Ti frames, and even some AL.

your inseam (if you measured it right, search on the site, it involves crotch to floor) times 2/3 is about 57.5 cm, so I'd say your frame size should be 56 thru 59. I think that one is too small for you. You'll be able to get a long seat post, but you could have trouble getting the handlebars where you need them.

However, YMMV.

Tange Double butted is not the lightest tube set around- but it definitelty is not heavy. Not as heavy as some as some of the Aluminium Comfort bikes from Big named manufacturers.

Mind you- Steel bikes will be a bit heavier- But I would prefer to ride a Tange DB 20lbs + a bit in preference to my 20 Lbs stiff as a rock Aluminium OCR. If I want a good ride -I take the TCR C or the Boreas out for a ride.

I have a steel frame Motorbecane Champion Team Reynolds 531 DB Campy Record except for Super Record cage petals and al toe clips from the early '80s and it is about 19 lbs. The Schwin Paramont was about the same. They were all custom built by hand on a jig and excellent bikes. I have a 1975 catalog where they were $577 new with sew ups as a racing bike.

My steel bike is right around 20 lbs with light sew-ups.

Any good early 80's Italian bike made of thin tubing could easily break sub 20 pounds. Light bikes weren't invented when they started to make them out of alu and CF, they have been around for a long time. In the late 1800's, Pedersen made a (very strange) bike that weighed in at around 16 pounds.

I bet it weighs more than 20 pounds.

Paramounts were great frames - its possible that it is in the 20 pound range. This bike is steel and is about 18 pounds as pictured:

actually its probably a bit less in that picture. When I weighed it, it had pedals on it...

It's a small frame (54cm) 1991 PDG Series 5. The catalog specs are for a 58cm frame, and the stated weight is 22 pounds. Schwinn didn't fudge on weights. My guess is it's around 21 pounds.

As others have said, for a given size there isn't more than a couple of pounds difference between an uberlight CF frame and a modern steel frame. My 61cm 953 frame is a hair over 3.5 pounds (frame only).

Steel bikes can be pretty light with the right components. The manual has the audacity to rate my 853 at 17.1 pounds. But with pedals, cages, etc. and the larger 55cm frame, it's probably a hair over 18.

That's not really a "Paramount", the high end race shop frames made by Schwinn that everyone desires, and fetch a premium price for vintage steel frames. These are a cheaper, made in Taiwan series that Schwinn came out with in the early 90's.

Still nice bikes, but not significantly any better than any of the other well-made steel framed bikes from Specialized, Bridgestone, even Diamondback from the period.

The PDG "Series" Paramounts were made by National/Panasonic in Japan; they weren't made in Taiwan.

Here's what Marc Muller who headed up Paramount production for Schwinn at the time, and is now Richard Schwinn's partner in Waterford Precision Cycles, had to say about the PDG "Series" Paramounts:

"National/Panasonic were willing and eager partners in this project. I spent a lot of time in their plant, and they at our corporate headquarters, overseeing the smallest details to assure the bikes were worthy of the name. While some of us had reservations about the use of the name, after spending the 80's building up the Schwinn/Paramount/PDG brand, once the decision was made to use the name everyone was on board to make the finest possible bikes at their price point. Are they Waterford Paramounts? No. Are they excellent bicycles? You bet! Don't listen to the bashers, you'll drive yourself crazy!"