What's The Difference?
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Back in the 1970s, most bikes can in only 3 sizes (21", 23", 25"). Even high end European bikes came in only these sizes. That's a 5cm difference between sizes (compared to the 1 or 2cm today). People regularly got by on bikes that were 3 or 4cm too small. Just jack up your seat 4cm higher, slide the saddle all the way back on the rails, and install an extra long stem. Some people claim that a smaller bike is stiffer and lighter weight than a bigger bike, but I'm not convinced. I'd rather have a properly sized bike to begin with.
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It depends upon how much you're willing to suffer and how flexible you are. If you raise the saddle, you increase your saddle to bar drop which effectively lengthens the reach and pushes more weight forward on to your hands. The increase in saddle to bar drop may lengthen the reach enough that it is effectively the same as on a larger bike even without a stem change. The difference, of course, is that you now have more weight forward. It's a mistake to look at fit solely by the top tube length plus stem length or saddle height.
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Erring on the side of caution and going with a little smaller frame is probably OK; a frame that is too small is as bad as a frame that is too large.
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Bikes: are better than yours.
Given a long enough seat post, any bike can provide sufficient leg extension for any rider with legs longer than those for which it is designed. But that's only part of the equation. The reach, determined by saddle to bar drop, top tube length and stem length, is the significant determinant of comfort on the bike. There are also implications on power output. You aren't likely to get the kind of complete information you seem to be seeking by asking questions here. There are lots of good articles on fitting on the net. Google is your friend.
#16
So the "cockpit" length i.e. the distance from the saddle to bars can only be adjusted by adding a longer or shorter stem.
There's a limit to how long or short a stem can be before it affects the steering.
When you're sizing a bike the important measurement is the top tube length.
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The important measurement is the reach which takes in to account the top tube length, saddle to bar drop and stem length. Bikes with identical top tube lengths may have very different reaches if they fit with different saddle to bar drops.





