Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 7286821)

This is more friggin velo vaporware isn't it?

Man, this is getting old. And I thought it was bad in the computer biz.

Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 7286792)

I would give up 100 grams for a more comfy ride any day. That's a no-brainer.

Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 7286821)

This is more friggin velo vaporware isn't it?

Man, this is getting old. And I thought it was bad in the computer biz.

Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 7286792)

I would give up 100 grams for a more comfy ride any day. That's a no-brainer.

Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 7286093)

It is replacing the SLC SL.

Originally Posted by Bob Dopolina (Post 7286068)

I rode a soloist several years ago. Great crit bike but a little too harsh for my tastes. It sure felt fast, though.

Funny story; At last year's Taipei show I spent part of my time working in the Campagnolo booth. At one point the guys from Cervelo came over for a meeting. The person they needed to talk to was in another meeting so I was asked to talk with them for a bit about the new 11spd stuff. No problem.

The thing is, I'm not a Campagnolo employee. Never was. I worked (at the time) for their Taiwan/China distributor and OE agent and I ran the Service Center. This should be no problem. I was up to speed on the tech stuff so the meeting was within my area of expertise.

The thing was, after I did my presentation, the Cervelo guys wanted to talk about something that was happening for 2009 and what Campagnolo had planned. This was NOT in my area. First off, although I knew the answer, I sure as heck wasn't going to speak about what a company I didn't work for was going to do especially as it would involve significant time and expense for the guys I was talking to and, I things changed and I was wrong, it could have caused a huge ****storm.

So I kept trying to evade the answer, or phrase it in terms that were less that FULLY CLEAR, stall, whatever until the guy from Campagnolo, who did have the authority to address the subject, was free.

The thing is, the engineer from Cervelo wouldn't buy any of it. He would stop me, mid sentence, and ask me direct, pointed questions I didn't want to answer. I'm pretty good at bull****ting or stalling (ask my wife) but this guy was having none of it.

Finally, the right person was free and he could answer the question I couldn't.

The point? If this was any indication the folks at Cervelo are straight up, no bull**** people. Canucks just aren't good at hype. Some companies run entirely on it but I don't think they do. If they tell you something about their products, I am convinced that they truly believe it to be true (whether it is or not we can debate later. I'm talking about their approach to design and how they run their business).

Bottom line; If I were in the market for a new frame I'd be right in line behind you, PCaddy. Plus, I really like the Olympic colour scheme. Simple, direct and tasteful.

I'm looking forward to the pics and a ride report.

Originally Posted by Booger (Post 7287349)

Weren't you just *****ing about how much you suck? Soooo, why do you need a $4500 frame that is maybe 1%-2% better than what you have now? Either way, post pics.


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You has too many monies. Please send me SLC SL kthxbye.
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Originally Posted by Bob Dopolina (Post 7286068)

I rode a soloist several years ago. Great crit bike but a little too harsh for my tastes. It sure felt fast, though.

Funny story; At last year's Taipei show I spent part of my time working in the Campagnolo booth. At one point the guys from Cervelo came over for a meeting. The person they needed to talk to was in another meeting so I was asked to talk with them for a bit about the new 11spd stuff. No problem.

The thing is, I'm not a Campagnolo employee. Never was. I worked (at the time) for their Taiwan/China distributor and OE agent and I ran the Service Center. This should be no problem. I was up to speed on the tech stuff so the meeting was within my area of expertise.

The thing was, after I did my presentation, the Cervelo guys wanted to talk about something that was happening for 2009 and what Campagnolo had planned. This was NOT in my area. First off, although I knew the answer, I sure as heck wasn't going to speak about what a company I didn't work for was going to do especially as it would involve significant time and expense for the guys I was talking to and, I things changed and I was wrong, it could have caused a huge ****storm.

So I kept trying to evade the answer, or phrase it in terms that were less that FULLY CLEAR, stall, whatever until the guy from Campagnolo, who did have the authority to address the subject, was free.

The thing is, the engineer from Cervelo wouldn't buy any of it. He would stop me, mid sentence, and ask me direct, pointed questions I didn't want to answer. I'm pretty good at bull****ting or stalling (ask my wife) but this guy was having none of it.

Finally, the right person was free and he could answer the question I couldn't.

The point? If this was any indication the folks at Cervelo are straight up, no bull**** people. Canucks just aren't good at hype. Some companies run entirely on it but I don't think they do. If they tell you something about their products, I am convinced that they truly believe it to be true (whether it is or not we can debate later. I'm talking about their approach to design and how they run their business).

Bottom line; If I were in the market for a new frame I'd be right in line behind you, PCaddy. Plus, I really like the Olympic colour scheme. Simple, direct and tasteful.

I'm looking forward to the pics and a ride report.

Originally Posted by roadwarrior (Post 7288026)

Cuz he's slipping into the "if I get a more expensive bike I'll be faster" Twlight Zone...

;)

Originally Posted by brianappleby (Post 7287795)

vaporware it isn't. the bike was ridden in the TDF by Schleck the younger, and in the olympics.

Originally Posted by Lazyrider (Post 7287120)

Pcad, you have the attention span of a ADHD teenager. You have said several bikes were your "next bike". I bet you come up with some reason to look elsewhere.

Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 7288034)

Correct.

Don't F up my Delusions RW.

Originally Posted by roadwarrior (Post 7288023)

Good story...now if they actually made bikes.

Originally Posted by Bob Dopolina (Post 7288060)

Your point?

Originally Posted by roadwarrior (Post 7288106)

They are a bike engineering and design company. Not a manufacturing company. Not unlike Mike at Bikesdirect.

I like companies that design and manufacture their own stuff.

I met the guy that did the carbon layup on my frame at the factory. He's an employee of the company whose name is on the downtube.

I like that.

Same with Zipp. I can run down there and talk to the guys that make the wheels. They design and manufacture their own goods. To me, that gives them a step up on the competition.

Your mileage may vary.

Heck even the Specialized manufacturer, Merida, has ownership in the mother ship.

Originally Posted by roadwarrior (Post 7288106)

They are a bike engineering and design company. Not a manufacturing company. Not unlike Mike at Bikesdirect.

I like companies that design and manufacture their own stuff.

I met the guy that did the carbon layup on my frame at the factory. He's an employee of the company whose name is on the downtube.

I like that.

Same with Zipp. I can run down there and talk to the guys that make the wheels. They design and manufacture their own goods. To me, that gives them a step up on the competition.

Your mileage may vary.

Heck even the Specialized manufacturer, Merida, has ownership in the mother ship.

Originally Posted by Bob Dopolina (Post 7288235)

Incorrect and not an accurate comparison at all.

BD sources stuff already designed and produced and puts labels on it.
Cervelo does R&D and is involved in the production even though they don't own the factory.

I understand your point, though, and don't entirely disagree.

Originally Posted by roadwarrior (Post 7288776)

botto...


Do try to keep up.